these thoughts have been incubating in my coconut for some time now, and through self thought and analysis i feel i have come to conclusions, but i am still a little confused at some aspects.
i am talking about the grip. strong grips to be more precise. grips that if you took brians measurements, say 20-30+ degrees stronger than neutral. i have been considering for a fair while now how a grip of this nature affects the whole swing. such as the club face position at the top, the release type, the hinge action and the type of finish swivel that must be used. to me it is very interesting to see how people learn how to swing this way. and infact how most great players who have played this way (duval, azinger, boo, trevino) are A. regarded as great ball strikers, and B. usually play fades, as opposed to the draw that the grip would appear to suit.
first of all, i want to talk about the release type. i think most of us can grasp that there is little or no no.3 accumulator involved at all. as if there was, the ball would go very far left. but this leads to another query. in another thread, there was the discussion about strong grips and lag. it is clear that strong grip players take large, deep divots, and strike down very hard. is this due to the club being behind the hands more? i believe that becausethe back of the left hand faces the ball more, it can be totally uncocked, and the club will still not get inline with the left arm. so, whereas a player with a more neutral grip will shallow out the angle of dissent with the un-rolling, the shut face player cannot do this, and is forced to strike down harder.
this leads to the the piece is have spent thinking about hte most. how the shut face player goes through the ball. with no unrolling of the left arm(flying wedge) then the club cannot do what would be considered normal and track bcak up the plane. unless a jim furyk-like action is done where angled hinging is employed and then after the follow-through, the swivel is performed normally. however, in a swing such as zach johnson, this does not happen.
his hands (from the DTL view) appear first before the clubhead from behind his chest. and when his hands reach shoulder/head high, the club is pointing upwards, instead of back towards the ball. i have tried to impliment this into my swing (for experimental purposes only
) and, not surprisingly, results in fades/slices. johnsons stock shot is a draw. i suppose this brings up the old argument that there is no difference in ball flight from angled to horizontal hinging. duval had a similar move and played a fade. obviously this has more to do with what club face rotation used at the ball
sorry for the long post, just wanted to get my thought on record. as tongzila would say
discuss
i am talking about the grip. strong grips to be more precise. grips that if you took brians measurements, say 20-30+ degrees stronger than neutral. i have been considering for a fair while now how a grip of this nature affects the whole swing. such as the club face position at the top, the release type, the hinge action and the type of finish swivel that must be used. to me it is very interesting to see how people learn how to swing this way. and infact how most great players who have played this way (duval, azinger, boo, trevino) are A. regarded as great ball strikers, and B. usually play fades, as opposed to the draw that the grip would appear to suit.
first of all, i want to talk about the release type. i think most of us can grasp that there is little or no no.3 accumulator involved at all. as if there was, the ball would go very far left. but this leads to another query. in another thread, there was the discussion about strong grips and lag. it is clear that strong grip players take large, deep divots, and strike down very hard. is this due to the club being behind the hands more? i believe that becausethe back of the left hand faces the ball more, it can be totally uncocked, and the club will still not get inline with the left arm. so, whereas a player with a more neutral grip will shallow out the angle of dissent with the un-rolling, the shut face player cannot do this, and is forced to strike down harder.
this leads to the the piece is have spent thinking about hte most. how the shut face player goes through the ball. with no unrolling of the left arm(flying wedge) then the club cannot do what would be considered normal and track bcak up the plane. unless a jim furyk-like action is done where angled hinging is employed and then after the follow-through, the swivel is performed normally. however, in a swing such as zach johnson, this does not happen.
his hands (from the DTL view) appear first before the clubhead from behind his chest. and when his hands reach shoulder/head high, the club is pointing upwards, instead of back towards the ball. i have tried to impliment this into my swing (for experimental purposes only
) and, not surprisingly, results in fades/slices. johnsons stock shot is a draw. i suppose this brings up the old argument that there is no difference in ball flight from angled to horizontal hinging. duval had a similar move and played a fade. obviously this has more to do with what club face rotation used at the ballsorry for the long post, just wanted to get my thought on record. as tongzila would say
discuss
