Swing Of The Future

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CrimsonTider

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Brian,
I was wondering if you could critique this articlefrom Golf Digest. Please tell us what parts you do and do not agree with and why. Since the example is one of your old students, I was wondering how Akins theories tie in with yours.
 
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Jim Kobylinski

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Well admittingly i don't know much about TGM but this sounds like a pivot controlled hands move and it the "spine tilt thrust" is just another way of describing brians perfect pivot 2 article. For instance when he talks about the the leverage against the ground it sure sounds a lot like Brians "sit down" move in the perfect pivot 2 article

Again just me though
 
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matt

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quote:Originally posted by jim_0068

Well admittingly i don't know much about TGM but this sounds like a pivot controlled hands move and it the "spine tilt thrust" is just another way of describing brians perfect pivot 2 article. For instance when he talks about the the leverage against the ground it sure sounds a lot like Brians "sit down" move in the perfect pivot 2 article

Again just me though
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Akin's "spine tilt thrust" = big waste of time. [xx(]
 
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hue

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quote:Originally posted by Tball88

jim_0068, that's exactly what it looks like to me. Seems he's preaching maintaining secondary axis tilt...
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"WHEN TO DO THE SPINE-TILT THRUST: As the club contacts the ball, your left shoulder and hip should be jutting toward the sky. That's when the right foot should push off the ground and the left leg should stiffen. Don't do this too early. Wait for impact to make this split-second move. "

Seems a bit like Brian's throwing off a drunk off your shoulder description.
Is it me or does anyone else see bits of Brian's instruction articles in the article?
 
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DDL

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quote:Originally posted by hue

quote:Originally posted by Tball88

jim_0068, that's exactly what it looks like to me. Seems he's preaching maintaining secondary axis tilt...
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"WHEN TO DO THE SPINE-TILT THRUST: As the club contacts the ball, your left shoulder and hip should be jutting toward the sky. That's when the right foot should push off the ground and the left leg should stiffen. Don't do this too early. Wait for impact to make this split-second move. "

Seems a bit like Brian's throwing off a drunk off your shoulder description.
Is it me or does anyone else see bits of Brian's instruction articles in the article?
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The thing that bothers me is the 'split-second move' aspect. Timing the spine tilt thrust to coincide with impact , to me is the pivot version of flicking the wrists at the ball. I am pretty sure Brian doesn't preach that the second axis tilt occurs exactly at impact. happens well before it according to his video. Some similarities, but I think Atkins is using the axis tilt to add power to the swing at the exact moment of impact, whereas Brian , like all TGMers use the second axis tilt to get the right shoulder moving downplane.
 
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matt

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Agreed - the whole "time-it-at-impact" thing bothers me. How are you supposed to time that perfectly, EVERY TIME? You can't.

In addition, "THRUST" is a red-flag word for me. I don't see why you'd thrust anything unless it was aiming at the Plane Line. Any sort of "right foot" pushing-off or thrust of that nature is usually problematic.
 
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quote:Originally posted by hue

quote:Originally posted by Tball88

jim_0068, that's exactly what it looks like to me. Seems he's preaching maintaining secondary axis tilt...
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"WHEN TO DO THE SPINE-TILT THRUST: As the club contacts the ball, your left shoulder and hip should be jutting toward the sky. That's when the right foot should push off the ground and the left leg should stiffen. Don't do this too early. Wait for impact to make this split-second move. "

Seems a bit like Brian's throwing off a drunk off your shoulder description.
Is it me or does anyone else see bits of Brian's instruction articles in the article?
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No offense to Brian by this at all, but who's to say there isnt a lot of Atkins theories in Brian's lessons? So much golf instruction is recycled theories and analogies. you can sit here all day and pick out bits and pieces and say, "Hey, that is just like 6 D 3 C 1 isnt it?" Brian does a great job of getting the message across with his analogies and explanations. But, so do other instructors. And, oh yes there are plenty of bad instructors out there as well. I have personally ran into about 4 of them over my 10 years playing golf. [V]
 
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I read the article, and i also got out of it was "isn't this just axis tilt?".
I didnt get that you had to time it, it just happened in a good swing, i will reread it.
 
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Brian Manzella

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quote:Originally posted by hue
Seems a bit like Brian's throwing off a drunk off your shoulder description.
Is it me or does anyone else see bits of Brian's instruction articles in the article?
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quote:Originally posted by FanofHogan
No offense to Brian by this at all, but who's to say there isnt a lot of Atkins theories in Brian's lessons? So much golf instruction is recycled theories and analogies. you can sit here all day and pick out bits and pieces and say, "Hey, that is just like 6 D 3 C 1 isnt it?" Brian does a great job of getting the message across with his analogies and explanations. But, so do other instructors. And, oh yes there are plenty of bad instructors out there as well. I have personally ran into about 4 of them over my 10 years playing golf. [V]
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ORIGINAL: Dutchdawg

WTF? I thought Brian Manzella was Toms' swing guru
MACHINER: ;)
Key word: WAS.
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OK Guys...and those of you on FGI who love to talk about me ;),,,here's the scoop:

First the teaching David Toms part.

I worked with David Toms TWICE last year, The first time for three days in New Orleans at the HP Classic. He won Wachovia the next week and gave me full credit
http://courier-journal.com/cjsports/news2003/05/18/sp051803s406314.htm
The second was during the summer before an event he then had the 36 lead at.;);)!

This year I worked with him all week at The HP Classic. Made some big changes. He played better instantly, got some help from Rob also at Colonial and won the next week.;)!

Now, as far as the "swing of the future" article:

Hue, you are DEAD ON. His 'swing-tilt' thrust is EXACTLY MY 'THROW THE DRUNK OFF YOUR BACK' image.

EXACTLY!

I got in from BEN DOYLE in 1987 and I am very sure he was teaching it way before that.

Now, information is information, but this is a Golfing Machine interpretation by Ben Doyle and NOT a "discovery" by a guy in Memphis.

Period.

As far as the plane angle stuff in the article. It is dead wrong, however similar to Hank Haney's flawed PLANE ideas based on BAD CAMERA ANGLES.

So...it not their fault, they see what they see on video and on stills but...it is not what is happening at all.
see:http://www.manzellagolfforum.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=763

Hope this clears things up for all.;):D
 
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