Swinger or Hitter
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Brian Manzella
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Real World Hitter vs. Swinger decision...
Simple.
If you can PIVOT through the ball and ROTATE the Left arm flying wedge, through the ball, you need to swing.
If not—hit!
Simple.
If you can PIVOT through the ball and ROTATE the Left arm flying wedge, through the ball, you need to swing.
If not—hit!
rchang72
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One question I have is whether the different geometries make a difference between deciding swinging or hitting. In swinging, the target line defines the base of the swing plane. Just trace up and down the line. However, in hitting, (if I'm understanding it correctly) the base of the swing plane is actually angled clockwise away from the target line. And covering the line (whatever that means) puts the clubshaft on plane. I think that because I can't visualize that geometry, I don't try to hit, but instead have decided to swing. A bit different take on it, what do you guys think?
bts
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push, pull, or both
If you tend to pull the grip with both sides, then you're more likely a swinger.
If you tend to pull the grip with the left side while pushing against it with the right, then you're more likely a switter.
If you tend to push against the grip with the right wrist while pulling it with both sides, then you're more likely a hitswinger.
If you tend to rotate the pivot, then you're more likely a rotor.
If you tend to slide the pivot, then you're more likely a slider.
If you tend to rotate the pivot while sliding it, then you're more likely a slidrotor.
If you tend to slide the pivot while rotating it, then you're more likely a roslider.
If you tend to mix them up, then you could more likely be a
hitrotor, hitslider, hitslidrotor, hitroslider,
swingrotor, swingslider, swingslidrotor, swingroslider,
switrotor, switslider, switslidrotor, switroslider,
hitswingrotor, hitswingslider, hitswingslidrotor, or hitswingroslider.
If you tend to do the list above while snapping the club, then add "snap" to its corrosponding-er.
If you tend to push against the grip with the right side, then you're more likely a hitter.jomil said:
If you tend to pull the grip with both sides, then you're more likely a swinger.
If you tend to pull the grip with the left side while pushing against it with the right, then you're more likely a switter.
If you tend to push against the grip with the right wrist while pulling it with both sides, then you're more likely a hitswinger.
If you tend to rotate the pivot, then you're more likely a rotor.
If you tend to slide the pivot, then you're more likely a slider.
If you tend to rotate the pivot while sliding it, then you're more likely a slidrotor.
If you tend to slide the pivot while rotating it, then you're more likely a roslider.
If you tend to mix them up, then you could more likely be a
hitrotor, hitslider, hitslidrotor, hitroslider,
swingrotor, swingslider, swingslidrotor, swingroslider,
switrotor, switslider, switslidrotor, switroslider,
hitswingrotor, hitswingslider, hitswingslidrotor, or hitswingroslider.
If you tend to do the list above while snapping the club, then add "snap" to its corrosponding-er.
Brian Manzella
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Hitters...
If you guys only knew....
If you guys only knew....
Brian Manzella
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Hitters vs. Swingers
I have spent a LOT of time this year, taking young athletic guys with tremendous rotation speed and OBVIOUS swinging tendencies—who have been attempted to be turned into hitters unsuccessfully—and converting them BACK to swinging.
Can you imagine Tiger as a hitter?
Nothing wrong with Hitting, but it sure isn't a magic pill. And for some, it is like poision.
Now, for those who just want to debate, or just bait, why don't you come to Louisville or New Orleans and watch me FIX some of these guys and THEN come back on the forum and bait&debate.
I have spent a LOT of time this year, taking young athletic guys with tremendous rotation speed and OBVIOUS swinging tendencies—who have been attempted to be turned into hitters unsuccessfully—and converting them BACK to swinging.
Can you imagine Tiger as a hitter?
Nothing wrong with Hitting, but it sure isn't a magic pill. And for some, it is like poision.
Now, for those who just want to debate, or just bait, why don't you come to Louisville or New Orleans and watch me FIX some of these guys and THEN come back on the forum and bait&debate.
SundayHacker
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So as a teacher, what's the basis in determining if a relatively new golfer is better suited for hitting or swinging? Watching him/her hit a few balls and seeing what their natural tendencies might be? Body type?...etc?
Brian Manzella
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Great Question.
I watch.
I dive in and start changing things.
I figure it out.
....I really think I just need to film some of my lessons and they would speak for themselves.
But, in the mean time...
If you can swing, you should swing. Everyone should TRY hitting. They may like it better, or use it for certain shots.
I can do—and have done—both.
I play better swinging.
I watch.
I dive in and start changing things.
I figure it out.
....I really think I just need to film some of my lessons and they would speak for themselves.
But, in the mean time...
If you can swing, you should swing. Everyone should TRY hitting. They may like it better, or use it for certain shots.
I can do—and have done—both.
I play better swinging.
Jim Kobylinski
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SundayHacker said:
Sometimes you have to teach people to hit just to get them some kind of clubface control and flat left wrist because it's easier to teach someone to keep the face closed and bang down hard on the ball.
However once they begin to do that with some kind of regularity you, as a teacher, change components and see how the student reacts and the ball and go from there.
I was a crappy slicer who knew how to score. Went to brian and was a hitter for half a season but was a swinger at heart. Once I learned how to hinge better and use my pivot properly i have swung ever since.
Flatleftwrist
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jim_0068 said:
I agree, it's a journey. Learn both if you want, we have time. Players that learn both often find it beneficial in using both.
Brian Manzella
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Hey Flat...
Why you come see me and get fixed and be done with it.
I have been told that I am quite the dinner guest.
Why you come see me and get fixed and be done with it.
I have been told that I am quite the dinner guest.
birdie_man
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Brian I thought you were better as a Hitter? (you didn't ever say that? or am I on glue)
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self-mastery
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How many people are really natural hitters?
I see tons of guys that hack at the ball and lose everything to the right all the time... Do they have a faulty technique or should I label them hitters.
My father is a natural hitter/hacker that watches the golf channel and gets all screwed up trying to follow advice that doesn't help him.
I can do both but prefer pure swinging to what is being pushed on most forums.
I see tons of guys that hack at the ball and lose everything to the right all the time... Do they have a faulty technique or should I label them hitters.
My father is a natural hitter/hacker that watches the golf channel and gets all screwed up trying to follow advice that doesn't help him.
I can do both but prefer pure swinging to what is being pushed on most forums.
bcoak
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Putting
Common advice is to match your putting stroke to your golf swing, ie, if you have a long smooth swing, have a long smooth putting stroke (see D. Toms). Does this advice hold true for a hitter and swinger and their putting stroke? Meaning if you "hit" in the long game, you should "hit" your putts?
What should you try and do if you are trying to "hit" your putts?
Common advice is to match your putting stroke to your golf swing, ie, if you have a long smooth swing, have a long smooth putting stroke (see D. Toms). Does this advice hold true for a hitter and swinger and their putting stroke? Meaning if you "hit" in the long game, you should "hit" your putts?
What should you try and do if you are trying to "hit" your putts?
self-mastery said:
Golly. About 80-90% of teaching is for swingers.
A far as the "natural hitters" out there before they may have been polluted by swinging teaching? I'd guess it's low, again like 10-15%. For the most part, how does one hit naturally and angle hinge and naturally play a fade or use compensations? It makes more sense for punchouts, low skippers etc, and takes some time to work on hiting and playing fading 5 irons.
Now that said, there are some four barrel golfers, or people who TRY to be, and they are a camp which is possibly bigger than the natural hitters.
davidmac00
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Brian Manzella said:
brian,
i might just take you up on that offer to watch you teach if youd allow and if youd have some time to talk it over afterwards.i teach in germany and may be in florida around mid jan to see mike bender for a bit.would love to learn more on TGM and dont mind travelling.
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