Swinging and tracing the plane line???

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LSH

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I believe I would be classified as a swinger rather than a hitter. I have read that good thoughts from the top for a swinger would be a left hand karate chop toward the ball or keeping the right palm facing the swing plane. How does this fit with the tracing the plane line top the ball with PP 3, and where if at all does the roll of accumulator 3 towards the ball fit in?
I hope I did not mix the terms up.

Steve
 

rundmc

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2-J-3 VISUAL EQUIVALENTS The true geometric Plane Line is the Basic Delivery Line. But it has a very useful Visual Equivalent – the curved blur of the Clubhead path during the Address Routine and again through Release and Impact, which can be executed as a Visual ARC of Approach Delivery Line per Sketch 2-C-1-#2B. the “Arc” is the most compatible with the “On Line” Swing A.

The “Visual Arc of Approach” Delivery Line is the cured line of Angular Motion and actually meets the Ball on its inside-aft quadrant as it travels down to the Low Point Plane Line and back across the Impact Plane Line again. If you find this optical illusion (2-N-0) distracting there is the alternative of “Tracing” the true Plane Line per 5-0 which can be even more precise and actually not alter the Clubhead Arc in the least. Study 2-N-0 and 4-D-0. This is a “Wheel Rim” Procedure (7-23) and applies to both 10-23-Dand 10-23-E per 10-19-C
 

Tom Bartlett

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As you karate chop with the left you trace with #3. Imagine a laser coming out of your right forefinger first knuckle and tracing the plane line. When swinging you should have a sequenced release. The left wrist uncocks then rolls to impact. It should happen automatically due to centrifugal force of swinging. Very important to sequence release while tracing. If not it is easy to bend the plane line.
 
Tracing: Right Forearm

Sequenced Release: Left Wrist Action

Spend lots of time practicing the two idependently.

Once you put both hands together...OMG! Bam!
 

LSH

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As you karate chop with the left you trace with #3. Imagine a laser coming out of your right forefinger first knuckle and tracing the plane line.

I was having a hard time imagining tracing with the base of my pointer finger when it was facing palm up.

Tracing: Right Forearm

Are you talking about tracing the plane line or the plane I would be swinging the shaft on?

Sequenced Release: Left Wrist Action

Thanks for the replies. It is a little confusing trying to understand it.
I can not remember the exact wording but in the begining of the book Homer says an A.I. would take my existing swing and then tell the student what to do and how to do it using only the patterns or sequences applicable so the student will get the maximum benefit. No sense learning extraneous stuff untill I master what I need to know!
I am not going to try to rework my swing untill I can see Brian and associates next month in Orlando. Around here the ground is hard and covered with white so I think I'll just try to stay loose by hitting into nets at an indoor facility untill Jan 21st.
Steve
 
quote:Originally posted by LSH

As you karate chop with the left you trace with #3. Imagine a laser coming out of your right forefinger first knuckle and tracing the plane line.

I was having a hard time imagining tracing with the base of my pointer finger when it was facing palm up.

Tracing: Right Forearm

Are you talking about tracing the plane line or the plane I would be swinging the shaft on?

Tracing refers to about 3 feet before and after Impact. 'Tracing' means to point at. You Trace the Straight Plane Line. So you point at the Plane Line with your Right Forearm.

Your Right Forearm during Impact should be on your Shaft Plane (or Sweetspot Plane). Your Left Arm will not be on this Plane. But it's much better to monitor of your Forearm/Hands rather than the Club itself.

Imagine your Right Forearm being actually on a flat inflexible inclined plane during Release with your left palm facing the plane. It's perfectly possible, isn't it?
 

rundmc

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quote:Originally posted by LSH

As you karate chop with the left you trace with #3. Imagine a laser coming out of your right forefinger first knuckle and tracing the plane line.

I was having a hard time imagining tracing with the base of my pointer finger when it was facing palm up.

Tracing: Right Forearm

Are you talking about tracing the plane line or the plane I would be swinging the shaft on?

Sequenced Release: Left Wrist Action

Thanks for the replies. It is a little confusing trying to understand it.
I can not remember the exact wording but in the begining of the book Homer says an A.I. would take my existing swing and then tell the student what to do and how to do it using only the patterns or sequences applicable so the student will get the maximum benefit. No sense learning extraneous stuff untill I master what I need to know!
I am not going to try to rework my swing untill I can see Brian and associates next month in Orlando. Around here the ground is hard and covered with white so I think I'll just try to stay loose by hitting into nets at an indoor facility untill Jan 21st.
Steve

Keep in mind that for the club to be On Plane the end of the shaft closest to the ground must be pointing at the Plane Line. So from the Top you can think of tracing as if there were a laser beam coming out of the butt of the club. As Tong says the PP3 tracing is just through the impact interval. Notice on the backstroke IF you are On-Plane the butt end will be pointing WELL FORWARD of the ball. Also notice that if you move considerably to the right, this changes how far down the Plane Line the butt is pointing. You can see how this would effect your Low Point.

Basically trace with the butt end until the club is past parallel to the ground. When the club begins to "switch ends," then trace via PP3.

One exercise that Eddie Cox demonstrated for me that is very effective is this. First set up to something that is a straight line; wall, tile floor, whatever. Address a spot as you would normally. Then pull the club up and grip it short very close to the clubhead. From hear make a slow-mo swing. Focus on how far forward the shaft points to be On-Plane. Feel how your hands have to move to be On-Plane. Also, on the through swing, notice how far LEFT your hands must be in order for the club to be pointing at the line.
 
quote:Originally posted by brianman

Much easier to learn the curved blur.

That's what I found too when I first started playing around with Delivery Lines...

But per 2-J-3, Tracing the true Plane Line is even more precise and actually not alter Clubhead Arc in the least. There is also an optical illusion involved in the "curved blur" (Arc of Approach) procedure which can be avoided by Tracing.
 
quote:Originally posted by LSH

As you karate chop with the left you trace with #3. Imagine a laser coming out of your right forefinger first knuckle and tracing the plane line.

I was having a hard time imagining tracing with the base of my pointer finger when it was facing palm up.

Doing that will make you a sweep releaser. :(
 

LSH

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Doing that will make you a sweep releaser.
You make it sound like a its poor choice of procedures???

Much easier to learn the curved blur.
Brian, you can explain this to me next month.
 

Brian Manzella

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LSH and others....

I really feel like tracing is overrated as a 'swing thought.'

Learning to do it, drilling it into a feel, sure.

But as an ON COURSE swing thought...nope.
 
This is a great discussion.

Brian, can you share with us what you think are good 'off course' swing thoughts, but not so good 'on course'?

And what are examples of good 'on course' swing thoughts?
 

Erik_K

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quote:Originally posted by tongzilla

This is a great discussion.

Brian, can you share with us what you think are good 'off course' swing thoughts, but not so good 'on course'?

And what are examples of good 'on course' swing thoughts?

zilla,

Brian once gave an audio reply to a similar question that I asked a ways back. I wonder if a search can be run, or if Brian can repost that.
 
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