Swinging/ Hitting ?

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I have been reading on this forum for a long while (I have read and posted on others, but have only "Lurked" here).

While my mind thought "Swinging" sounds better, and my eye thinks the flowing fluid motion looks better. Of late I think I may have been making an error persuing "Swinger's" information, and not even reading up on hitting.

3 1/2 years of playing the game, early fifties, 5'10", 178 lbs. and fit. Have gone from the 120's in the beginning to low and mid-eighties on 6,000 yard courses (the white tees on most nice courses) with the occasional dip into the 79, 78 area.

De La Torre, and Flick and a few others have been who I gravitated towards; although I've read too many dozen books, and watched way to many tapes :).
I was struggling recently on a rain soaked course, walking with my "Bag Boy Deluxe Push Cart" sinking in up to the spokes. A bad day I thought.
Started trying different things (no one out there I could hit five off the tee if I wanted and drop one every ten yards on the fairway).

Stumbled into a mode of firmer grip and more deliberate backswing move, followed by a straight push by the hands right into the back of the ball.
Lo and behold straight boring shots with the driver, very nice distance for me (230 and 240 yard carry). High and straight irons play.

Confusing to see how my "Swinging" attempts were failing terribly, and the fix for that day seemed to be to change to an abrupt hitting thought.

I was reading some posts here today (before my meetings startup) and I read the post(s) under the title "Downplane"

There were some very interesting comments about the :

Takeup,

Hitting in general being a straighter downswing (path of the hands?)

The mentionof Yoda's workshop and the attendees "Falling in love with hitting"

To the point, I would be appreaciative if some could comment in an executive summary format the concepts of "Hitting".

I am especially interested in the rear shoulder not having to shift plane (zero shift I thought I understood) and the straight line path to the inside back of the ball.

I have my copy of TGM handy, but to be quite honest, I have not gotten through it comfortably in a number of tries. I would love if those of greater experience than I gave a suggested small menu of sections in the "Yellow Book" and the sequence they would read them in.
Or maybe just a link or two to the threads that must exist (maybe Brian, or maybe Yoda) where the hitting concept is being addressed.
Thanks in advance:)
 
Mizuno Joe, you did me a favor by refering me to the Yoda posts.
It has be a few days sine I started reading them, all of them. It also is the first time I had seen any fog lift relative to the little Yellow Book.
I have adopted the hitting style and have had such an immediate gain in striking ability that it is scary.
I am now more motivated than ever to wade through more of the book.
That was a good referal:)
 
Leftside,

Are you hitting all shots, or just chipping, putting, and 150yds or less irons? I hit only those shots and swing for all other full shots, because of distance loss.
 
Funny you should ask, I just got back from a couple of hours at the range (after sitting out "Charley" the catagory 4 Super Storm ).
I had pitched and chipped for 40 minutes or so, all with the best emulation of the hitting stroke I can perform. Very nice results (for me anyway).
I also spent 35 or 40 minutes on the hitting line. The contact for the irons was crisp and the distance was very acceptable (and this particular practice facility has terrible range balls).


To the point, which I find now ironic given your post, and question:

With the long irons, 3, 4, and the fairway woods (Callaway Hawkeye Titaniums, 3 and 5) and my driver a 44" component 400cc 1 degree closed Hi COR 11 degree shafted with a "Made for Cobra", light weight reg. flex mid kick UST graphite shaft; the forearm driving or tracing the delivery line seemed to provide adequate accuracy but marginal distance. I, at first, chalked it up to having a bad day, crappy weather, and lousy range balls. However before leaving the line I just let one go, more with my old, "De La Torre" upper arm slings the club down and through motion. Well you already know what happened, a Bomb. Followed by another and yet another. I took out the 3 and 5 woods again and hit with this TGM Hitting setup and Carry Back backswing, but with a downswing focus on powering the swing with the upper arms. Same direction, same path, intent the same drive the pp #3 through the aiming point down and out. The only difference was keying on the upper arms to provide the thrust, rather than the trail forearm drive.
The distance was much better, and the accuracy didn't suffer.
It appears that with the short clubs I can do either version ofthe downswing and get very nice results. With the long clubs the forearm thrust for the downswing wasn't problematic, but it also wasn't the optimal distance producer. With the long clubs the upper arms "Slinging" the forearms and hands and club down and through produced a marked increase in distance.
The Carry Back (Forearm Takeaway) and the intent to drive the pp #3 trigger finger through the back of the ball have combined to give me the best ball striking I have ever had.
I hit six or seven 3 irons off the deck dead straight with a boring trajectory landing the ball a 185 /190 yards into a storm soaked overgrown hitting area (with lousy balls).
Prior to the change in backswing and incorporatibg the intent to drive pp#3 through the aiming point, I didn't even carry a 3-iron in the bag!
Now as you mentioned, I have to decide whether or not to mix and match a component or two when changing from mid length shots to the longer clubs?
I am going to see if maybe a "Yoda" or another has a thought on it :)
 
Since no one has chimed in, here's my thoughts. I'd be willing to bet the De La Torre upper arm swing, is indeed a TGM "swing" rather than a "hit". If you are in fact swinging, that would explain the improved distance with the long iron. My experience is that swinging generally gives better distance with the long clubs, but the downside is maintenance of two distinctly different procedures and alignments. To the end of using only a hitting procedure, I am working on the 4-barrel hitting procedure, as I currently use a 3-barrel, utilizing accumulators #1,#2,#3.
 
I could be wrong, but I am really just trying to emulate Yoda's advice of;
"Steady Head, Extend back, and tracing the plane down with pp3"
It is working well:)
 
MJ:

Since we're on the topic of Hitting, I was wondering what you think about taking a slight pause at the Top of the Backstroke. Seems like it would be fine for a Hitting procedure. Any thoughts or personal experience?
 
armour,

For me, it's more of a "settling" of the right arm/club than a pause, but I imagine it might look like a pause. My Hitting backswing "feels" like Jay Haas' looks.
 
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