I would classify my understanding and execution of lag as a holding off, check swing type of action, where the swing or hit feels over at impact and my followthru is very abbreviated and cut off. I think that is why my left thumb stays so tender. As I study swivel/transfer power, I am afraid I have none. My wild guess is I do not allow hardly any rotation of the clubface, and I am having to either open it on the downswing, or fight like hades to keep it from shutting down too much. Now, if a man is having trouble with the lefts, how big do your nuts have to be to swivel. Help. My game is stuck. I don't have a bad swing, just a bad concept. Digger is in a hole. Digger is humbled right now. Digger will be cocky again, but not right now. Help a dog. Please release me.
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Archie Swivel
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Do you finish with your club behind your head or are you hitting punch shots like that one Phil hit in the water on Sunday?
Lag is not holding off. Lag is just a trailing behind. The club follows the hands. Stop holding back. The left hand swivel is like turning a key counterclockwise after impact and letting the club follow through. Palm up as the left arm straightens.
Swivel is NOT a hinge action. Hinge action occurs before swivel but in a nice lazy easy swing can feel like both are the same. They are certainly related. Hinge is applied before and after impact by the left hand. In hitting it is all before impact since the angled hinge is built in. And in swinging it is applied after impact because CF whirls the clubhead and face into impact. It both cases hinge alignments are a constant along the swing plane. So much has been written, look some up and re-read it. But I will answer any questions you have about it. Sorry this is long.
If I offended anyone's sensiblities, don't email me about it. I am a TGMer through and true.
Swivel is NOT a hinge action. Hinge action occurs before swivel but in a nice lazy easy swing can feel like both are the same. They are certainly related. Hinge is applied before and after impact by the left hand. In hitting it is all before impact since the angled hinge is built in. And in swinging it is applied after impact because CF whirls the clubhead and face into impact. It both cases hinge alignments are a constant along the swing plane. So much has been written, look some up and re-read it. But I will answer any questions you have about it. Sorry this is long.
If I offended anyone's sensiblities, don't email me about it. I am a TGMer through and true.
Archie Swivel
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6-B-1-D, Would it be acceptable to think of the muscular, untanned side of your forearms smacking each other just passed parallel on the follow-thru while showing the target your ARCHED left wrist? - Then unswivel to finish position. Or would that be a super-swivel/beyond-the-horizontal hinge?
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Arched or Bent? If you show the an arched left wrist that late in the follow thru I think you would be holding on too long. The swivel is a turn to the left of the hand asthte arms straighten into the follow through. It is part of the TGM ryhthm of the swing. There is no unswivel.
Put your left hand on your right elbow, swing your hand to the left to smack the back of your head. You swiveled.
Put your left hand on your right elbow, swing your hand to the left to smack the back of your head. You swiveled.
Archie Swivel
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I may have confused you-- when I say I show my arched left wrist to the target, the clubhead is pointing skyward, my forearms are touching and I'm staring at my bent right wrist--I'm not hanging on.
BTW, Brian teaches an 'unswivel' to finish.
BTW, Brian teaches an 'unswivel' to finish.
It did confuse me and I confess I never heard of an unswivel before. I know Ben talks of a rec0cking at the end.
If you are looking at a bent right wrist, toe up on club, then you have already swiveled. The position you are in is more of a hitter's finish, bent right wrist from a driving right arm, then a swinger whose hands have completely rolled over themselves, swiveled, straighten and rec0cked at the top.
Archie Swivel
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If I were to do as I described and roll my right forearm over my left forearm and while my forearms are touching show the target my arched left wrist and stare at my right wrist bend, I could NOT continue that motion to final finish position because of physical limitations of my shoulder sockets, so I would 'unswivel' and my forearms would separate and I would hold the finish with the club behind my head. The reason I brought this up is because it helps me maintain a right wrist bend and I NEVER let my left wrist bend-- in theory.
Ben Doyle talks about the only two times the left wrist is not flat is at address and after swivel as the club ends its follow through. So don't feel as if you are in violation of a non flat wrist rule.
I truely think you have a hitters finish with the right bent wrist extended to its fullest- that arched the left wrist and rolled up for a swivel. Nothing wrong with that. Bottom line is ball reaction. How's the ball flight?
Archie Swivel
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Ball flight is a mammoth high draw now. I am hitting really well for the time-being. I had a recent post wherein I pleaded for your guys' help with my snap hooks off the tee, but I have confidently eliminated those by finally obtaining a proper pivot. Annnnyway........ To address your point, I am a swinger, so I don't want indicia of hitting on my follow-through; however, I will say that a TGMer said that the motion I described was a 'super swivel' or 'beyond-the-horizontal' hinge. I really don't hit that way all of the time- its just a drill on the driving range to ward off my old chicken wing.
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EaglesNest
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Digger,
I thought dogs had paws. You should get that thumb looked at as you might be holding back because of it.
I thought dogs had paws.
You should get that thumb looked at as you might be holding back because of it.Archie Swivel
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Tball,
I had a sway on the backswing and a lung on the follow-thru. It caused me to come over the top. Now I maintain the right thigh angle on the backswing and turn my left shoulder over my right hip WITHOUT letting my right hip sway a millimeter AWAY from the target. (It almost feels like my right hip is moving TOWARD the target, but I do make sure I transfer my weight to the inside of my right foot) I actually pull my right hip back which almost straightens my right leg. This is a position wherefrom if I were to lift my left foot off the ground, I would immediately fall forward. Then I COURAGEOUSLY swing down, out and through keeping my head behind the ball with AXIS TILT. If I don't hang back and 'flip', no duck hook.
VOILA!!!!!!
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I had a sway on the backswing and a lung on the follow-thru. It caused me to come over the top. Now I maintain the right thigh angle on the backswing and turn my left shoulder over my right hip WITHOUT letting my right hip sway a millimeter AWAY from the target. (It almost feels like my right hip is moving TOWARD the target, but I do make sure I transfer my weight to the inside of my right foot) I actually pull my right hip back which almost straightens my right leg. This is a position wherefrom if I were to lift my left foot off the ground, I would immediately fall forward. Then I COURAGEOUSLY swing down, out and through keeping my head behind the ball with AXIS TILT. If I don't hang back and 'flip', no duck hook.
VOILA!!!!!!
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The flat or arched left wrist can be held to the finish via a full deliberate rotation of the left forearm, which forces the "recocking at the end", which Ben D talks about. As mentioned, swiveling to the finish always happens, but the rotation is over and above that. For an example of this see
http://www.network54.com/Forum/message?forumid=72052&messageid=1023240672
http://www.network54.com/Forum/message?forumid=72052&messageid=1023240672
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