Taking practice swing over to real swing

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tbarbertab

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I admit it, I have clubhead throwaway. Interestingly, my practice swings look very much like Brian's logo - plenty of lag, hands ahead at impact, flat leading wrist, arms well extended in the followthrough. The problem is, no matter how hard I try, I cannot take that good motion and hit a ball with it.

If I hadn't seen it on video I wouldn't have believed it. Please help me!

Thanks,
 
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rundmc

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tbarbertab said:
I admit it, I have clubhead throwaway. Interestingly, my practice swings look very much like Brian's logo - plenty of lag, hands ahead at impact, flat leading wrist, arms well extended in the followthrough. The problem is, no matter how hard I try, I cannot take that good motion and hit a ball with it.

If I hadn't seen it on video I wouldn't have believed it. Please help me!

Thanks,
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I'm in Lexington (L-boogie NC home of chicks with dookie toof). . . where do you play?

Describe your concept of what makes the ball go at the target . . .
 
tbarbertab

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Yep, 2010. They just resurfaced all the greens and rebuilt most of the bunkers on the Players course. Very nice. I wish they'd do the same on the Championship course. Maybe one day...
 
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rundmc

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tbarbertab said:
Yep, 2010. They just resurfaced all the greens and rebuilt most of the bunkers on the Players course. Very nice. I wish they'd do the same on the Championship course. Maybe one day...
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Where are they playing Champions or Players?

So what's going on with your ball flight in the "real" swing?
 
tbarbertab

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Champs...

I actually hit it very straight, but fight the thin shot with the irons. Woods are good.

I ended last year with a 2.2 USGA index, so I'm a decent player, but believe me, I have a early release and a flip at the bottom. Probably explains the thin shots.

Like I said, my practice swing delivery is very good, but put a ball in front of me and I look like a different player....the difference is quite alarming. The good news is that my body/mind knows how to make a good motion - just need to apply it when hitting the ball.
 
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rundmc

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tbarbertab said:
Champs...

I actually hit it very straight, but fight the thin shot with the irons. Woods are good.

I ended last year with a 2.2 USGA index, so I'm a decent player, but believe me, I have a early release and a flip at the bottom. Probably explains the thin shots.

Like I said, my practice swing delivery is very good, but put a ball in front of me and I look like a different player....the difference is alarming.
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No kidding . . . That's pretty freaky that a player of your level would have that big of a difference. Are you over or under the plane on the "real" swing?
 
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Brian Manzella

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I am trying...

The real reason—yet again, in my humble opinion—that practice swings differ from real swings is.......



The clubface.
 
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rundmc

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Brian Manzella said:
The real reason—yet again, in my humble opinion—that practice swings differ from real swings is.......



The clubface.
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More Boss . . . I know fix the clubface first . . . but what about it do you fix?
 
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Brian Manzella

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The trick is....

Fix the slicer's clubFACE first.

Fix the hooker's club path (plane line) first.

....but why Brian...why??

Tell us please....

paleeeezzzeeee!!!

Guess first>then I'll tell.
 
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rundmc

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Brian Manzella said:
Fix the slicer's clubFACE first.

Fix the hooker's club path (plane line) first.

....but why Brian...why??

Tell us please....

paleeeezzzeeee!!!

Guess first>then I'll tell.
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Awight . . . Slicer already hits the inside of the ball but the FACE is still open at separation . . .

Hooker hits the outside of the ball and must figure out how to hit the inside . . .
 
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dbl

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Run, that sounds backwards. Let's try this: The slicer has the face open and to "help" the situation he hits the outside of the ball. The hooker tries to "help" his predictament by hitting the inside of the ball.

Brian says fix the slicer's clubface since too-little rotation is the predominant problem. The hooker's rotation is probably decent or overdone (which can be corrected) but his plane line is screwed up.
 
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bts

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the intention

Brian Manzella said:
The real reason—yet again, in my humble opinion—that practice swings differ from real swings is.......



The clubface.
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Nope!

"The real reason—yet again, in my humble opinion—that practice swings differ from real swings is......."

The intention, the former "swinging" (the club) and the latter "hacking" (the ball).
 
tbarbertab

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Brian, How does this apply to me? I hit it very straight. Are you saying that IF I actually hit the ball with my practice swing that the clubface would probably be mis-aligned? Therefore I have learned that to hit the ball straight I need to use the built-in compensations that I see in my actual swing?
 
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Brian Manzella

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Pay one winner....any in the Gold Room?.....16 (16) 33 (33) free one....

tbarbertab said:
Brian, How does this apply to me? I hit it very straight. Are you saying that IF I actually hit the ball with my practice swing that the clubface would probably be mis-aligned? Therefore I have learned that to hit the ball straight I need to use the built-in compensations that I see in my actual swing?
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YES!!!
 
tbarbertab

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Looking at the video, it looks like the face would be open at impact on my practice swing.

Brian, can you give me a way to start this process? I would think that working on squaring the face on my practice swings would result in big hooks on my actual swing, all else being equal.
 
birdie_man

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Brian Manzella said:
Fix the slicer's clubFACE first.

Fix the hooker's club path (plane line) first.

....but why Brian...why??

Tell us please....

paleeeezzzeeee!!!

Guess first>then I'll tell.
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Root cause for slicer is most often too open clubface. It's what causes the other Imparatives to go bad....i.e. they need to flip it to try and hit left....they need to come OTT to try and hit left (hit outside-back of ball). And their hands and body aren't educated enough to hit even *DECENT* golf shots consistently with that backswing.

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For hookers....I dunno....clubface is often OK. They just need a better plane and more lag (and a better plane will help them sustain more lag, yes?). Trevino had a "hookers clubface" if I've ever seen one.....he's known for his fade.

BTW I don't know that everyone's cut out to swing with a clubface like that tho....I can make it work....harder with long clubs tho....too hard IMO....and I know I know- I prolly need more lag to make it work (and I can with some practice...with that kind of clubface control I mean) I just don't like it cept for short clubs.
 
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rundmc

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birdie_man said:
Trevino had a "hookers clubface" if I've ever seen one.....he's known for his fade.

BTW I don't know that everyone's cut out to swing with a clubface like that tho....I can make it work....harder with long clubs tho....too hard IMO....and I know I know- I prolly need more lag to make it work (and I can with some practice...with that kind of clubface control I mean) I just don't like it cept for short clubs.
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Inside out cut shot and more Axis Tilt.
 
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