TEACH 'EM WHAT THEY NEED TO DO..and that they can!

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Brian Manzella

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I gave my first golf lesson in 1982. It was a clinic to a group of about two dozen really young junior golfers and their moms. I was put in charge of the near defunct, City Park (New Orleans) Summer Junior Program. We were to meet ten more times that summer. This was the little ones (and the big ones) introduction to what I was going to teach them. I have long forgotten what I said. But I do remember what I didn’t say. I didn’t talk about how we were going to learn to stand ‘square’ to the target. I didn’t say anything about getting the club to parallel. I said something about golf being very ‘do-able’ and they all were going to learn. They did.

20,000 or so golf instruction hours later, I’d say pretty much the same thing. Something like you have to hit the ball on the way down to make it go up, and you have swing in a circle to make it go straight. I might add that the grip and left wrist control the clubface and that’s what makes the ball curve-or not.

Giving a good golf lesson has as much to do with what you don’t say as what you do.

The golf ball only knows what the club is doing, so that’s the place to start. For example: A 72 year old great grandmother who has only played golf for two years comes to you for a lesson. She tops almost every shot. She bends her left arm a bunch on every extra-flat backswing. She looks like she lifts her head through the ball. She has no forward weight ‘shift.’ What would you do?

I love watching teachers teach golf. But sometimes all I get out of it is disappointment. Lots of instructors would straighten the lady’s left arm, have her keep her head down and shift that weight. After she topped it again they might tell her to “stay down.”

What that lady really needs is to know is that the ball must be hit on the way down. That if you do that correctly, you’ll make a divot in front of the ball and to do that you have to swing the club up enough, so you can hit down enough. That if you unwind correctly and wind up standing on your left foot, you can reach the spot in front of the ball where the club should bottom out.

Of course getting her to do all of that is the hard part-and the fun part. That’s the part you get to try to figure out how to teach her to ‘do it.’ With and by any means possible.

No matter how poorly it looks like a student is learning it is often just an illusion. The one doing poorly is usually you. That’s when you really learn to teach. When you have to find a way to get the student to get the club to do what it needs to do. No matter what the student looks like they can’t do, they can get the club to hit the inside of the ball on the way down and square up the face by the time it comes off the face. Figure out a way.

When I taught that junior program I made sure that every kid thought, that I thought, they could do it. That way they kept trying to do whatever I was trying to get them to do.

The City Park Junior Golf program now has nearly 500 junior golfers every summer.
 

Eminem

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Brian what do you think of teachers that don't let their pupils hit balls for months so that they can learn the swings basic movements... via a systematic approach to building a swing ?
 

Ryan Smither

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This approach seems to definitely make the "general golfing public" more aware of what a golf swing truly is; and it's interesting to watch what a good teacher can do to get results.

Just this past Christmas I visited my grandfather who first introduced me to the game. I hadn't played with him in three years (since when I had been taught what a golf swing consists of), and it was "truly sad" to see a man who has played the game for 40 years, tell himself to keep his head down after every missed shot.

Cheers to Brian and all the other "real" teachers who are trying to rid the world of all those "keep your head down" teachers.
 

Brian Manzella

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Thanks smeethers....

Em, about the same thing I think of soemone with one chance to impress a hard to impress student, that would first tell them what little cubbie hole they fit in.
 

Steve Khatib

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Right on Brian all non G.O.LF. instructors work on cosmetics not adhereance the principle of G.O.L.F. LOC

BEN SAYS 'A BOATS NOT A BOAT IF IT DOESNT FLOAT" 'THE PRINCIPLE OF OF CAR IS TORQUE' THE PRINCIPLE OF MARRIAGE IS LOVE" ETC. ETC.

We can get real results real quick!

Teaching practically in the real world.
 
Good thread....

Ya 4B...

The principle (secret if you will) of golf (and G.O.L.F.) is Sustaining the LOC!!!

Word...

3 Imparatives baby.

The ball only knows what the club does...(so put your effort into making sure "the ball gets the message")...

Fix the first wobbly point...

etc....right? ;)

Good stuff.
 
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Eminem said:
Brian what do you think of teachers that don't let their pupils hit balls for months so that they can learn the swings basic movements... via a systematic approach to building a swing ?
tell you what I think, crap
 
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Brian,
Hello. Its David Madras here. Have not talked to you in a while. Been busy. Hope you have recovered from that terrible day last year. It sure puts things in perspective what really matters in times of adversity!
I was wondering your thoughts on a certain issue. I read your article and agree with you on how instructors mostly try and fix (symptons) instead of the real problem. My question is this...We deal (as im sure you know) with really good junior players. We teach mostly the same group of kids for the entire school year. What I do with every student of mine (for the short term or long term) is try to educate the student the real reason for getting a lesson....(ball flight, trajectory, and overall strike of shot) I develop my game plan and the students swing blueprint based on these principles alone! As a result I find the main issues lie somewhere the delivery position or just before impact, impact, and post impact. As I do with everyone, trace these problems backwards until I find the solution. It seems, 10 out of 10 the root cause always lies in the setup, club fit, and a bad mental picture for the swing (falacies) I would never just square up someones knees just because the knees were not square. But I would if it was in sync with the problem at impact and ball flight. With the stident I have for a long period of time I find myself working more slowly towards the big picture...concentrating on the root cause and very early stages of the swing. With the student I only have for a day, I work the same way but a little on the affect as well. Since the symptoms dont just go away because of perfect fundamentals right away...So what would you do with a student who makes a dozen major compensations in their swing due to improper fundamentals. Let me give you an example...not on swing philosphy of course...just order of lesson. Lets say the student had a very shaped draw ball flight and strike was very swept or polished. My goal would be to get the student to understand a more downward angle of attack, promoting a better better path as well as angle of attack. But the reason for the poor delivery lies in other issures that lead to this. The reason for the poor delivery is during the transition the student leans very sharply into the shot promoting the student having to back out at the last second (getting the path under and no angle). Then tracing I find the student leaning as a result of him trying to keep the club in front of their body (acting as a defense mechanism) because of a very deep backswing track of the club and hands. Lets say the deep backswing is due to a slew of problems that all stem at address (use your imagination here)? How would you go about this problem if you had a short time to work with this student. If I had this student long term i would stay more with fundamentals and let the swing start to iron itself out...but in the short time...now what? Do I work on the affect? Other symptoms? Educate the student on the symptoms and let them know that is the real problem but have them stick to the solution and root cause....I would like to know your thoughts on any of this? Do you feel i go about things wrong? Am I on the right track? How would you go about it?
-David Madras
 

Brian Manzella

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David Madras said:
Brian,
Hello. Its David Madras here. Have not talked to you in a while. Been busy. Hope you have recovered from that terrible day last year. It sure puts things in perspective what really matters in times of adversity!
I was wondering your thoughts on a certain issue. I read your article and agree with you on how instructors mostly try and fix (symptons) instead of the real problem. My question is this...We deal (as im sure you know) with really good junior players. We teach mostly the same group of kids for the entire school year. What I do with every student of mine (for the short term or long term) is try to educate the student the real reason for getting a lesson....(ball flight, trajectory, and overall strike of shot) I develop my game plan and the students swing blueprint based on these principles alone! As a result I find the main issues lie somewhere the delivery position or just before impact, impact, and post impact. As I do with everyone, trace these problems backwards until I find the solution. It seems, 10 out of 10 the root cause always lies in the setup, club fit, and a bad mental picture for the swing (falacies) I would never just square up someones knees just because the knees were not square. But I would if it was in sync with the problem at impact and ball flight. With the stident I have for a long period of time I find myself working more slowly towards the big picture...concentrating on the root cause and very early stages of the swing. With the student I only have for a day, I work the same way but a little on the affect as well. Since the symptoms dont just go away because of perfect fundamentals right away...So what would you do with a student who makes a dozen major compensations in their swing due to improper fundamentals. Let me give you an example...not on swing philosphy of course...just order of lesson. Lets say the student had a very shaped draw ball flight and strike was very swept or polished. My goal would be to get the student to understand a more downward angle of attack, promoting a better better path as well as angle of attack. But the reason for the poor delivery lies in other issures that lead to this. The reason for the poor delivery is during the transition the student leans very sharply into the shot promoting the student having to back out at the last second (getting the path under and no angle). Then tracing I find the student leaning as a result of him trying to keep the club in front of their body (acting as a defense mechanism) because of a very deep backswing track of the club and hands. Lets say the deep backswing is due to a slew of problems that all stem at address (use your imagination here)? How would you go about this problem if you had a short time to work with this student. If I had this student long term i would stay more with fundamentals and let the swing start to iron itself out...but in the short time...now what? Do I work on the affect? Other symptoms? Educate the student on the symptoms and let them know that is the real problem but have them stick to the solution and root cause....I would like to know your thoughts on any of this? Do you feel i go about things wrong? Am I on the right track? How would you go about it?
-David Madras

"He leans left because he is too deep and then gets under it and hits a flip/sweep hook." —or something like that

What to do?

What about his backswing Pivot? Does he lean left or right?

Can he play really well?

How much time do I have for a fix?
 
Lets say during the backswing (about half way back) is when the student starts to lean...the same time the club and hands track behind him. Before that the students pivot is good...clearly it is the result of the deep club and hands. Low handicap, and 1 or 2 hour lesson. Like I said, this is not a real student, Im just trying to see how you would go about a problem in the short term...mainly because we dont deal with students much in the short term...but it would be nice when I do, I will have my student on the right track...Thanks for the time...
-David
 
again, in his transition, he leans to the left with his pivot then quickly re-tilts to the right in the delivery position to compensate (leading to the flip hooks) ..the lean to the left at transition gets the right shoulder to get very steep and not work downward on plane. This is directly due to the deep track in the backswing of the club and hands (resulting in the right shoulder to become steep and pivot leaning left to keep the club in front of the body)...I dont feel the right shoulder or pivot work properly when the club or hands become deep in any way...I ususally see them become steep (or lean) in the transition acting as a defense to keep the club in front of the body...what do you think?
 
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