TEMPO question need this one badly

[jenhaoyen]

n/m got the answer
I was trying to hit the ball with my hands instead of swinging the club.

 

[ZAP]

I tend to hit it best when I feel like i am swinging in slow motion. It is tough for me to make myself swing that "slow" though.

Interested to hear others ideas.

 

[faux_maestro]

Has anyone else had any success with Tour Tempo? I like it but sometimes I think it contributes to my handle dragging, I get the hit impulse from the top so I can hit the ball on the last click and really drag it.

 

[hp12c]

Has anyone else had any success with Tour Tempo? I like it but sometimes I think it contributes to my handle dragging, I get the hit impulse from the top so I can hit the ball on the last click and really drag it.

I have tour tempo too but I got really frustrated with it, I was anticipating the tone and my swing got all jerky spasm like so I had to put it down.

 

[jenhaoyen]

I wonder if I can ever train myself to slow it down.

I'm a very fast pace person. Maybe I need to find a swing that can accomodate to this

 

[faux_maestro]

I have tour tempo too but I got really frustrated with it, I was anticipating the tone and my swing got all jerky spasm like so I had to put it down.

Same here. I understand the concept and I think overall it helped if I'm not actively thinking about it or hearing the tones.

 

[art]

n/m got the answer
I was trying to hit the ball with my hands instead of swinging the club.

Dear jenhaoyen,

As you probably have read in some of my previous posts, I believe from a basis of science AND golf APPLIED science, that TEMPO and DYNAMIC BALANCE are the 'prerequisites' and crucial aspects of the golf swing, and there must be consistency for the tempo, and stability margin for dynamic balance. I have also stated that IMO, ALL swing errors can be found to have a breakdown in one of the above (THE CAUSE), and therefore the error you see is THE EFFECT AND COMPENSATIONS for the breakdown in either tempo or dynamic stability.

I am sure I will be challenged on such a bold assessment, but I am comforted by being able to stand on the shoulders of Dr. Robert Grober, and Sr. and Jr. John Novosell for their contributions to my understanding and application of their science to the above.

So, concluding that I have a strong respect for the importance, in the context of your post, of TEMPO, here is what I suggest for you.

Let your body become the source of power for back and forth HORIZONTAL swings with a driver, similar to a metronome, and over 10 swings, increase your 'power level' from 50-100% of your normal swing. Pay particular attention to your dynamic balance (a free by-product of this TEMPO exercise), and while trying to maintain a rotary-dominant pattern, NOTE THE TEMPO AND RHYTHM OF YOUR UNIQUE DYNAMIC BODY/GOLF CLUB SYSTEM.

Now, starting horizontally, and selecting the power level you intend to play with, over another 10 swings or so, gradually lower the swing plane to that of your standard driver conditions, hopefully striking a rubber tee for feed back as to the timing AND SOUND of impact. During this series of tests NOW MENTALLY RECORD THE TEMPO AND RHYTHM CHARACTERISTICS of what will now be YOUR STANDARD SWING.

It is currently my hypothesis, with a whole lot of informal testing for support, that when you DEVIATE from these now PERSONALLY DERIVED characteristics, you will begin to accumulate swing and resultant golf ball trajectory ERRORS you do not want. The FIX is soooo easy, even on the golf course, and even under the highest degree of competition, just, at full power, repeat the exercise noted above for 3-5 swings REESTABLISHING your standard TEMPO AND RHYTHM, and in less than 15 seconds, launch (sorry, a carryover from my rocket scientist days) the golf ball with confidence you have replicated the CRUCIAL characteristics that control the quality of your shots.

Naturally, it would be improper and incomplete if I did not suggest/require that you have addressed, practiced and committed to "Bumpy back, keep it back" to provide the CRUCIAL additional piece of lower body DYNAMIC BALANCE AND STABILITY MARGIN to provide the best chance of another perfect shot.

Please try this, as I , in my passionate pursuit of 'golf truth' NEED much more independent testing and support to accomplish what I am attempting, that is to provide both the golf professional instruction and playing communities the BEST, science based INTEGRATED solutions for the crucial elements of the golf set-up and swing.

Thanks for your interest, and please post your experience with this approach,

Respectfully,
art

 

[jenhaoyen]

Thanks for your interest, and please post your experience with this approach,

Respectfully,
art

I could do this on the driving range, but not on the course. I dont really try to think about mechanics on the course, it's just way too hard.

 

[Quigss]

I have found Tour Tempo very beneficial in two areas: putting and short game. They have a 2 to 1 tempo for these strokes (rather than the 3 to 1 for full swing) and I also try and use the same amount of force on the through swing as I use on the backswing timed up with the 2 to 1 tempo. I especially seem to control distance well using these concepts with putting. I also find it very useful for sand shots.
I get too jerky from the top when using their stuff for full swing. I like Arts concept of using "force" of swing as a guide in full swing; I seem to do best off the tee when my downswing is only twice the force of my backswing. In my estimation, this puts me at 80 - 85 % max effort.

 

[jenhaoyen]

I really hope this is what it is.

I have been struggling with the backswing. After few range sessions, I finally realized that I'm not letting any of my shoulder sockets to rotate, which is why I keep lifting the club up and have this reverse pivot kinda feeling. So first I try to rotate my right shoulder socket on the backswing and I immediately hit much better, no more pulling to the left. Then I try to let my left shoulder socket rotate as well, and I could get my hands really deep where I want them to be, believe it or not, this is probably the first time I could get my hands where they want them to be. I pray to god this is it. HAHA

 

[hp12c]

I really hope this is what it is.

I have been struggling with the backswing. After few range sessions, I finally realized that I'm not letting any of my shoulder sockets to rotate, which is why I keep lifting the club up and have this reverse pivot kinda feeling. So first I try to rotate my right shoulder socket on the backswing and I immediately hit much better, no more pulling to the left. Then I try to let my left shoulder socket rotate as well, and I could get my hands really deep where I want them to be, believe it or not, this is probably the first time I could get my hands where they want them to be. I pray to god this is it. HAHA

Move Your Left Shoulder, Add Yards - Move Your Left Shoulder To Add Yards Photos | Golf.com

 

[art]

I could do this on the driving range, but not on the course. I dont really try to think about mechanics on the course, it's just way too hard.

Dear jenhaoyen,

While on the course, think of a few metronome swings as extended 'waggles' certainly NOT mechanics. If your TEMPO has quickened, you MUST get a valid reference for all the rest of your full swings/shots, so IMO, let the quality of your shots dictate the need to REESTABLISH YOUR TEMPO AND RHYTHM.

Regards,
art

 

[jenhaoyen]

Move Your Left Shoulder, Add Yards - Move Your Left Shoulder To Add Yards Photos | Golf.com

cool

 

[jenhaoyen]

Dear jenhaoyen,

While on the course, think of a few metronome swings as extended 'waggles' certainly NOT mechanics. If your TEMPO has quickened, you MUST get a valid reference for all the rest of your full swings/shots, so IMO, let the quality of your shots dictate the need to REESTABLISH YOUR TEMPO AND RHYTHM.

Regards,
art

i need to rest for a week then all the bad things will go away.

 

[DCgolf]

I think one of the distinctions to be made here is the difference in TEMPO and TIMING. Tempo is a preference, Timing is a principle. Nick Price vs Ernie Els. Two completely different TEMPOS with very similar timing into impact. I do very little with tempo as it seems built into the players DNA (some exceptions), but good timing is a MUST.

 

[Curbanski]

I, 100%, incorporate (Baker/ Golf.com 4 shoulder moves -hp12c post ) into my hitting.
It may not be true for swinging as I do not 100% swing.

And since the opposite / back shoulder is now being pivoted down, I add the piston action of the straightening right /back arm (triceps, pecs etc.) to the bottom part of the grip which gives me powerful rotation of the grip.

My left hand is pulling the top of the grip up (toward the left / rising shoulder; knocking the drunk off) and the right hand is pushing the bottom of the grip forward/down toward some target between the toe-line and target-line / depending on the length of the club.

At impact, my hands (and grip) are over the left thigh (actually over my trouser fly at this point as I've pivoted away from the set-up position) so the clubhead doesn't flip ahead of my hands until ball is long gone.

I guess it's a downward/forward flipping motion always keeping the hands ahead. Again, my pivoting-open hips help keep my hands ahead.

Baker had companion- instruction on the rising left hip and lowering right hip to go along with this one about the shoulder path.

Because it's a hitting action for me , the follow thru is cut off and it depends on how hard I'm hitting.
It's been great for 150 yds and less; my follow thru is to about 12-2 o"clock.

I'm perfecting the move with my longer fairway woods and teed-up driver shot and absolutely love the consistency of distance and direction.

With the longer clubs, If I don't pivot enough, I will hook since ball position is further out front
.......and with the driver, I'm even hitting up a bit so pivoting is very crucial.

So by controlling the pivot and maintaining my spine angle (toughest one for me) , I'm hitting driver draws for the first time in my career.
I'm not even sure I can fade or slice the ball any longer...
...but I can probably resurrect it with in 7-8 swing attempts
.....or just stand up out of my spine angle once

I might just be looking for validation but I think I see lots of high left and low right shoulder action on the PGA players

 

[jenhaoyen]