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[Kevin Shields]

A 60 year old former club champ at a very prominent major championship club in my area came to me very upset for a lesson. He was given what amounted to a stack and tilt lesson ( weight left, etc.,etc.,) He was stuck on that side and was trying to fall back to find the inside...it was awful.

I tried my best Manzella impersonation of a "Never Slice Again" lesson complete with full hip turn, straightening right knee, level shoulder turn, axis tilt, twistaway,lagging sweetspot, etc. I thought he was going to kiss me on the mouth. He said I was "letting" him do everything they wouldn't "let" him do.

Is anybody else having issues with reversing some failed S&Ter's. I know it has alot of merits, but I can't see for the life of me why a portly 60 year old could benefit from some of those ideas. If all I read was Golf Digest, I might have done the same thing. Now I have a new student for life.

 

[Leek]

Good work!

 

[puttmad]

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A 60 year old former club champ at a very prominent major championship club in my area came to me very upset for a lesson. He was given what amounted to a stack and tilt lesson ( weight left, etc.,etc.,) He was stuck on that side and was trying to fall back to find the inside...it was awful.

I tried my best Manzella impersonation of a "Never Slice Again" lesson complete with full hip turn, straightening right knee, level shoulder turn, axis tilt, twistaway,lagging sweetspot, etc. I thought he was going to kiss me on the mouth. He said I was "letting" him do everything they wouldn't "let" him do.

Is anybody else having issues with reversing some failed S&Ter's. I know it has alot of merits, but I can't see for the life of me why a portly 60 year old could benefit from some of those ideas. If all I read was Golf Digest, I might have done the same thing. Now I have a new student for life.

d,

I have found that S&T is a very physically intensive swing....it requires a lot of effort from the lower body, far more than is deemed "normal"...OK for the young guys, but.....

 

[birdie_man]

I've been turning steeper with good results..............but.....none of this exaggerated reverse pivot.

(BTW I don't want to take this thread too off course but...................could you still call this "turning around your spine" even though it isn't a flat shoulder turn?)

 

[Bigwill]

I've been turning steeper with good results..............but.....none of this exaggerated reverse pivot.

(BTW I don't want to take this thread too off course but...................could you still call this "turning around your spine" even though it isn't a flat shoulder turn?)

I don't see why not. If you're turning around your spine, you're turning around your spine. It may be easier to turn around your spine using a flat shoulder turn rather than a steeper turn, though.

 

[Brian Manzella]

A 60 year old former club champ at a very prominent major championship club in my area came to me very upset for a lesson. He was given what amounted to a stack and tilt lesson ( weight left, etc.,etc.,) He was stuck on that side and was trying to fall back to find the inside...it was awful.

I tried my best Manzella impersonation of a "Never Slice Again" lesson complete with full hip turn, straightening right knee, level shoulder turn, axis tilt, twistaway,lagging sweetspot, etc. I thought he was going to kiss me on the mouth. He said I was "letting" him do everything they wouldn't "let" him do.

Is anybody else having issues with reversing some failed S&Ter's. I know it has alot of merits, but I can't see for the life of me why a portly 60 year old could benefit from some of those ideas. If all I read was Golf Digest, I might have done the same thing. Now I have a new student for life.

Kevin (doubled),

That's a great story!

The MANZELLA MATRIX will help more golfers—by a large margin—then any other "methodology" in golf history.

The popular patterns that people are trying, and trying to teach, have there place in the myriad that might work for some golfers. But on a very small scale in real world golf.