Thanks

[Truth]

That is my point exactly.

I have spent thousands and thousands of hours on most of the above save for #1. Perhaps not as many hours as you but enough to be a model for what I teach.

I have broken down my swinging pattern so many times, more than I can count, to get it as precise as I can. I own MY swing. Not many golfers can say that! Even ones who play on TV. I have written many original things on not only the golf swing but on how to optimze learning and playing golf. I have been fortunate enough to have found "The Golfing Machine" and teachers like you, and was able to, with deterimination and experimentation, assimilate and live the principals in it. You have certainly helped me with you videos. Thank you. To me, and my students, it is not about intellectual knowledge it is practical application. My questions is "how can this make me a better golfer?"

I have escaped the prison of misinformation, tips and usless training aids becasue of teachers like you and the great work of Mr. Kelley. I feel simultaneously humbled yet frustrated that only a few can see the TRUTH. Even though I know that if EVERYONE had gold it would be worthless.

This is your website and I certainly respect your teaching and I suspect you understand the absurdity of what is being tought in the industry. As Mr. Tomasello once said it is only opinions being passed down from one golfer to the next.

It happened:

As Christmas dinner was being served a young girl asked, “Mommy why do you cut the ends of the ham?” Her mother replied, “that is a very good question dear but I don’t really know. “I just do it the way grandma does, Let’s ask grandma”, the mother said as the young girl looked at her grandmother with much anticipation. Well the grandmother said, “When I was a young mother we were very poor. All we had to cook the ham in was a small roasting pan; I just cut the ends off of the ham so it would fit”!

Just because something has been done for a long time doesn’t make it correct, efficient or even the slightest bit useful.

Thanks Brian for allowing me to speak my truth.

 

[birdie_man]

Herehere.

 

[Brian Manzella]

...
Thanks Brian for allowing me to speak my truth.

Cool.

Now, how do you feel about the following?

1. Research shows that both force along the shaft and force across it, is the ONLY way to maximum distance.

2. Nobody is a pure hitter.

3. Nobody actaully Horizontal Hinges.

4. You can't resist deceleration—in other words, no "heavy hit."

5. You BARELY hit the inside aft quadrant.

6. There is at least a 5th Power accumulator.

7. Biomechanics, and 3D research show how utterly powerless a "tripod" pivot is.

8. No measurable advantage of any kind to "setting your wedges" at address.

9. Optimum Roll in putting is upwards.

10. Optimum Distance with the Driver is upward.
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[tobell]

5th Power Accumulator

Brian,

I follow all but this: "There is a least a 5th Power Accumulator"

What is the 5th? Does that mean at least a 5th Pressure Point as well?

Thanks

 

[Truth]

Brian,

Got it!

 

[tongzilla]

3. Nobody actaully Horizontal Hinges.

So when Ben Doyle demonstrates Horizontal Hinging, what is he actually doing?

 

[Brian Manzella]

So when Ben Doyle demonstrates Horizontal Hinging, what is he actually doing?

3D machine can measure whether or not the clubface is staying "vertical" to the ground at any point.

Nobody measured actually does this.

So, you either have some roll or very little roll, but not real HH.

 

[tongzilla]

3D machine can measure whether or not the clubface is staying "vertical" to the ground at any point.

Nobody measured actually does this.

So, you either have some roll or very little roll, but not real HH.

when you say "some roll", is that more or less roll compared to Horizontal Hinging?

 

[self-mastery]

Is this a possible 5th accumulator (power generator)?

There's a guy that teaches a pattern where you never cock your left wrist. At address you cant your left hand down and maintain that position to the top of your back swing. The teacher believes that a bent left arm and an uncocked left wrist creates a larger lever. He uses his right arm to not only supply force, but to also push the left arm causing it to unbend.

Is this a possible 5 accumulator? The forced unbending of a bent left arm when the #2(?) accumulator is omitted.

His pattern is interesting, but more of an overcooked JN (10-3-k-Bat)-ish procedure.

OTT- I was using a true right arm swing this evening after bashing 2 large buckets and decided to tinker with a true 'right arm swing" (I know I know Brian, we use both) where the center of the swing becomes the right elbow, and not the left shoulder.... Amazing!!! I've never hit it straighter and with decent distance. I've tinkered with this pattern for hitting little 30-40 yds pitch shots but this is better because I was using a LCT and floatloading like mad. The only negative is the low ballflight.


The Golfing Machine-- anathema to habitual tinkerers.

 

[Burner]

3D machine can measure whether or not the clubface is staying "vertical" to the ground at any point.

Nobody measured actually does this.

So, you either have some roll or very little roll, but not real HH.

Brian,

I am really confused now.

If the club face lays with its back to the inclined plane on the back stroke, squares up on the down stroke through impact to separation and then finishes with its face on the inclined plane from follow through to finish, what kind of hinging is that?

 

[Jared Willerson]

I think Brian is talking full out HH or "no roll" whatsoever AH. Both of which are kind of hard to do. I don't speak for Brian, but I think he is saying that neither are possible if you can hit it at all. Some may be "predisposed" one way or the other....as in the situation described above....it's more toward the HH side of the aisle, but probably not full out HH

 

[birdie_man]

3D machine can measure whether or not the clubface is staying "vertical" to the ground at any point.

Nobody measured actually does this.

So, you either have some roll or very little roll, but not real HH.

I always thought that this "swivel action" vs. "hinge action" stuff was fishy.

Your left arm is gonna keep rotating...

(whether you do a "wedding ring up" OR a "let the left wrist release")