The Ben Hogan Collection
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curtisj76
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PS Here's some info on their website.
http://www.thebenhogancollection.com/index.html
Looks like a must buy!
http://www.thebenhogancollection.com/index.html
Looks like a must buy!
birdie_man
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I'm on it....
tourdeep
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henny bogan collection...
Hi Curtis
Ever since I stumbled onto this site, I have studied Ben's swing more than I ever thought imagined. Hogan was an intense dude and kept to himself. But the dude had a swing to be admired and duplicated, or at least components of, more than any swing on planet earth. I've read Andrisani, Leadbetter, a couple of other sites that have gone in depth on the Hogan swing, five lessons, and a couple other books. I studied the heck out of Brian's analysis. The dvd tops em all because of the swing sequences dvd. I believe it shows his swing from 1948 (only one front view), 1956, and 1967. I may have missed a year, buy I think it is correct. My favorite is his 1956 swing. It is a thing of beauty, grace, and power. But so are his other swing sequences. I may be biased toward it since this is what I feel is best suited for my game and what I am shooting for and if I come up a little shy, so be it cuz it'll still be a great swing! The sequences are from a multitude of camera angles and at different speeds. McClean does a pretty good job of narrating thru the slo mo sequences, but his swings are played at different speeds to lively music without commentary and done so for the enjoyment of watching his swing over and over. For me, I prefer real time. From all the readings, I believe I have a grasp of his swing and its components and real time gives a true feeling of his raw swing speed and how fast all of those little tiny things that we study happens in about 1.5 seconds or even slightly less. At times, I tend to get bogged down in the mechanics and to watch how fast this stuff really happens, it deemphasizes the upteenmillion swing thoughts. There's simply ain't enuf time to give thought to this. Yes, it's important to internalize and let the new pivot or some other mechanical issue become nautral. But, at some point, it is so true to gain control, ya gotta give up the control. And as Xplosive golf says, just swing!
Here's some more insight to the DVD.
Discussion of his secret. Was it in the dirt (meaning practice your butt off)? Was it the cupped wrist? leg kick in...? I think Hogan just had fun with it and left it up to anyone to guess if there was a secret at all. Hey, the evidence is right in front of us for all to see and figure out. The mystique will live on...
Five lessons is basically put on the DVD and key differences between that and power golf.
Discussion of changes from pre and post accident swing.
Discussion on what X and Y factor means. Now, here's something that I differ with Brian's take on Ben's swing unless I misunderstood him. Ben Hogan has a bidirectional move in his swing. This move supposedly increases the X factor. In other words, before his backswing is complete, there is a lateral low side slide that has already commenced toward the target. Some of his behind (yes butt shot) makes it very clear. Now, I would have liked to have seen more of his pre accident swing sequences to see this action. Although McClean says it is clear in the only 1948 swing, I am not fully convinced of it, but there appears to be a hint of this move.
An observation...Recently, I spoke with a pro who said that one of Ben's biggest swing faults was that he swung too far to the left at follow thru. After reading Leadbetter, this is where the information may have been derived. You will see many of his swings from behind. Now, he did set up more open as the clubs shortened, but closed stance with the driver. Would this open stance have an effect on this too much left swing? Did he swing on plane or too far left?
Another...lagging clubhead takeaway. Well, not in the context that we think. I believe Ben had a one piece takeaway, but the clubhead appears to lag. Although this is not addressed clearly in the commentary, it sure appears that it does. IMO, it is a result of the bend placed on the shaft by the quick takeaway Ben employed. I don't think he was getting handsy or dragging the club back. It looked connected, quick, and as a result a bend in the shaft on the takeaway.
...and one more. Hogan's swing appeared to be that of constant motion. If it's not stepping into the shot, it's the waggle, if not, it's the slight turn of the head, if not, it's the right leg kick in...
....well, one more...Mclean, like Brian, agrees that pre accident swing was the one that took him to a bunch of tournament wins, the one that was on top of his game, and the one that should be emulated. But, 1953 was nothing to sneeze about either. Fairly impressive in that he won 3 majors and could arguably have said the he had the mini grand slam. Because of scheduling, it was impossible for him to play the PGA championship cuz it overlapped the British open (more than likely, he would not have played the PGA because it was match play, and he would have had to play 36 holes nearly every day. His body could not handle it). Although his swing may have been better pre 1950, he still won 6 of his 9 majors post accident!...
other stuff too, interviews, a cd for the computer to watch swing sequences over and over...
Anwyay, Curtis,,, if you are thinking of emulating his swing, maybe a golf historian, add to the mystique, maybe to critque, or simply want to analyze what the big hoopla is about a ben hogan swing, I do recommend this dvd. But I also recommend to check the archives here and see what you think of Brian's analysis as well. Hope this helps a little.
Hi Curtis
Ever since I stumbled onto this site, I have studied Ben's swing more than I ever thought imagined. Hogan was an intense dude and kept to himself. But the dude had a swing to be admired and duplicated, or at least components of, more than any swing on planet earth. I've read Andrisani, Leadbetter, a couple of other sites that have gone in depth on the Hogan swing, five lessons, and a couple other books. I studied the heck out of Brian's analysis. The dvd tops em all because of the swing sequences dvd. I believe it shows his swing from 1948 (only one front view), 1956, and 1967. I may have missed a year, buy I think it is correct. My favorite is his 1956 swing. It is a thing of beauty, grace, and power. But so are his other swing sequences. I may be biased toward it since this is what I feel is best suited for my game and what I am shooting for and if I come up a little shy, so be it cuz it'll still be a great swing! The sequences are from a multitude of camera angles and at different speeds. McClean does a pretty good job of narrating thru the slo mo sequences, but his swings are played at different speeds to lively music without commentary and done so for the enjoyment of watching his swing over and over. For me, I prefer real time. From all the readings, I believe I have a grasp of his swing and its components and real time gives a true feeling of his raw swing speed and how fast all of those little tiny things that we study happens in about 1.5 seconds or even slightly less. At times, I tend to get bogged down in the mechanics and to watch how fast this stuff really happens, it deemphasizes the upteenmillion swing thoughts. There's simply ain't enuf time to give thought to this. Yes, it's important to internalize and let the new pivot or some other mechanical issue become nautral. But, at some point, it is so true to gain control, ya gotta give up the control. And as Xplosive golf says, just swing!
Here's some more insight to the DVD.
Discussion of his secret. Was it in the dirt (meaning practice your butt off)? Was it the cupped wrist? leg kick in...? I think Hogan just had fun with it and left it up to anyone to guess if there was a secret at all. Hey, the evidence is right in front of us for all to see and figure out. The mystique will live on...
Five lessons is basically put on the DVD and key differences between that and power golf.
Discussion of changes from pre and post accident swing.
Discussion on what X and Y factor means. Now, here's something that I differ with Brian's take on Ben's swing unless I misunderstood him. Ben Hogan has a bidirectional move in his swing. This move supposedly increases the X factor. In other words, before his backswing is complete, there is a lateral low side slide that has already commenced toward the target. Some of his behind (yes butt shot) makes it very clear. Now, I would have liked to have seen more of his pre accident swing sequences to see this action. Although McClean says it is clear in the only 1948 swing, I am not fully convinced of it, but there appears to be a hint of this move.
An observation...Recently, I spoke with a pro who said that one of Ben's biggest swing faults was that he swung too far to the left at follow thru. After reading Leadbetter, this is where the information may have been derived. You will see many of his swings from behind. Now, he did set up more open as the clubs shortened, but closed stance with the driver. Would this open stance have an effect on this too much left swing? Did he swing on plane or too far left?
Another...lagging clubhead takeaway. Well, not in the context that we think. I believe Ben had a one piece takeaway, but the clubhead appears to lag. Although this is not addressed clearly in the commentary, it sure appears that it does. IMO, it is a result of the bend placed on the shaft by the quick takeaway Ben employed. I don't think he was getting handsy or dragging the club back. It looked connected, quick, and as a result a bend in the shaft on the takeaway.
...and one more. Hogan's swing appeared to be that of constant motion. If it's not stepping into the shot, it's the waggle, if not, it's the slight turn of the head, if not, it's the right leg kick in...
....well, one more...Mclean, like Brian, agrees that pre accident swing was the one that took him to a bunch of tournament wins, the one that was on top of his game, and the one that should be emulated. But, 1953 was nothing to sneeze about either. Fairly impressive in that he won 3 majors and could arguably have said the he had the mini grand slam. Because of scheduling, it was impossible for him to play the PGA championship cuz it overlapped the British open (more than likely, he would not have played the PGA because it was match play, and he would have had to play 36 holes nearly every day. His body could not handle it). Although his swing may have been better pre 1950, he still won 6 of his 9 majors post accident!...
other stuff too, interviews, a cd for the computer to watch swing sequences over and over...
Anwyay, Curtis,,, if you are thinking of emulating his swing, maybe a golf historian, add to the mystique, maybe to critque, or simply want to analyze what the big hoopla is about a ben hogan swing, I do recommend this dvd. But I also recommend to check the archives here and see what you think of Brian's analysis as well. Hope this helps a little.
birdie_man
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I always flinch a bit when there's talk of picking apart Hogan's swing.....for faults etc............
I mean........can you hit it much better?
Maybe you can.........but from what I can tell (i.e. how good this guy was by all accounts) I think it most likely would better to just say- probably not REALLY.
My 2 cents.
-PAUL
I mean........can you hit it much better?
Maybe you can.........but from what I can tell (i.e. how good this guy was by all accounts) I think it most likely would better to just say- probably not REALLY.
My 2 cents.
-PAUL
Brian Manzella
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The Just-before-the-wreck 1948 swing is the best one ever taken of Hogan.
HOGAN himself said this was the best he swung at it.
I like it as well.
P.S. It ain't no tripod or stack and tilt either
c21heel
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I bought the DVD set last month and I would highly recommend it to any Ben Hogan fan. The instructional stuff is okay; however, I think Brian could have done a better job identifying the both the mechanics and strengths of Hogan's swing. But, having said that, the swing analysis was very good.
Equally important, the documentary of both his life and career was very interesting as well.
I don't regret buying the set.
Equally important, the documentary of both his life and career was very interesting as well.
I don't regret buying the set.
FloydPT38
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I have the set also - Had the screensaver of the driver going at work and a patient said -who is that? I told him who it was and when it was and he said he didn't know people swung like that 60 years ago.
Wish we had tons more video from Hogan, Snead etc
"a hint of this Move"
Use the 4th DVD with it's frame-by-frame!
Use the 4th DVD with it's frame-by-frame!
Hi Curtis
Ever since I stumbled onto this site, I have studied Ben's swing more than I ever thought imagined. Hogan was an intense dude and kept to himself. But the dude had a swing to be admired and duplicated, or at least components of, more than any swing on planet earth. I've read Andrisani, Leadbetter, a couple of other sites that have gone in depth on the Hogan swing, five lessons, and a couple other books. I studied the heck out of Brian's analysis. The dvd tops em all because of the swing sequences dvd. I believe it shows his swing from 1948 (only one front view), 1956, and 1967. I may have missed a year, buy I think it is correct. My favorite is his 1956 swing. It is a thing of beauty, grace, and power. But so are his other swing sequences. I may be biased toward it since this is what I feel is best suited for my game and what I am shooting for and if I come up a little shy, so be it cuz it'll still be a great swing! The sequences are from a multitude of camera angles and at different speeds. McClean does a pretty good job of narrating thru the slo mo sequences, but his swings are played at different speeds to lively music without commentary and done so for the enjoyment of watching his swing over and over. For me, I prefer real time. From all the readings, I believe I have a grasp of his swing and its components and real time gives a true feeling of his raw swing speed and how fast all of those little tiny things that we study happens in about 1.5 seconds or even slightly less. At times, I tend to get bogged down in the mechanics and to watch how fast this stuff really happens, it deemphasizes the upteenmillion swing thoughts. There's simply ain't enuf time to give thought to this. Yes, it's important to internalize and let the new pivot or some other mechanical issue become nautral. But, at some point, it is so true to gain control, ya gotta give up the control. And as Xplosive golf says, just swing!
Here's some more insight to the DVD.
Discussion of his secret. Was it in the dirt (meaning practice your butt off)? Was it the cupped wrist? leg kick in...? I think Hogan just had fun with it and left it up to anyone to guess if there was a secret at all. Hey, the evidence is right in front of us for all to see and figure out. The mystique will live on...
Five lessons is basically put on the DVD and key differences between that and power golf.
Discussion of changes from pre and post accident swing.
Discussion on what X and Y factor means. Now, here's something that I differ with Brian's take on Ben's swing unless I misunderstood him. Ben Hogan has a bidirectional move in his swing. This move supposedly increases the X factor. In other words, before his backswing is complete, there is a lateral low side slide that has already commenced toward the target. Some of his behind (yes butt shot) makes it very clear. Now, I would have liked to have seen more of his pre accident swing sequences to see this action. Although McClean says it is clear in the only 1948 swing, I am not fully convinced of it, but there appears to be a hint of this move.
An observation...Recently, I spoke with a pro who said that one of Ben's biggest swing faults was that he swung too far to the left at follow thru. After reading Leadbetter, this is where the information may have been derived. You will see many of his swings from behind. Now, he did set up more open as the clubs shortened, but closed stance with the driver. Would this open stance have an effect on this too much left swing? Did he swing on plane or too far left?
Another...lagging clubhead takeaway. Well, not in the context that we think. I believe Ben had a one piece takeaway, but the clubhead appears to lag. Although this is not addressed clearly in the commentary, it sure appears that it does. IMO, it is a result of the bend placed on the shaft by the quick takeaway Ben employed. I don't think he was getting handsy or dragging the club back. It looked connected, quick, and as a result a bend in the shaft on the takeaway.
...and one more. Hogan's swing appeared to be that of constant motion. If it's not stepping into the shot, it's the waggle, if not, it's the slight turn of the head, if not, it's the right leg kick in...
....well, one more...Mclean, like Brian, agrees that pre accident swing was the one that took him to a bunch of tournament wins, the one that was on top of his game, and the one that should be emulated. But, 1953 was nothing to sneeze about either. Fairly impressive in that he won 3 majors and could arguably have said the he had the mini grand slam. Because of scheduling, it was impossible for him to play the PGA championship cuz it overlapped the British open (more than likely, he would not have played the PGA because it was match play, and he would have had to play 36 holes nearly every day. His body could not handle it). Although his swing may have been better pre 1950, he still won 6 of his 9 majors post accident!...
other stuff too, interviews, a cd for the computer to watch swing sequences over and over...
Anwyay, Curtis,,, if you are thinking of emulating his swing, maybe a golf historian, add to the mystique, maybe to critque, or simply want to analyze what the big hoopla is about a ben hogan swing, I do recommend this dvd. But I also recommend to check the archives here and see what you think of Brian's analysis as well. Hope this helps a little.
birdie_man
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Hey what year are the photos in that screensaver??
curtisj76
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I have the screensaver but have no idea. Sorry
self-mastery
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It seems like a waste if the footage is mostly post-1948 Ben Hogan.
tourdeep
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check up from the neck up...
With all due respect, pma seems to be an acronym you are not familiar with, perhaps more so pms. It seems that the tone you carry is always more negative in fashion than anything else thru your posts...
I suggest boning up on some Steven Covey, a trip down memory lane with Ziglar, and then some Carnegie. Maybe in person you are sweeter than candy, but bitter when it comes to keystrokes, maybe childhood issues of some sort.
His swing is awesome beyond 1950. This is the swing that is most admired, it is this swing that took him to the top of major championship golf. Again, I may be biased since I prefer the post swing, but it is what it is. Now, should the changes have not been made, who's to stay that he may have peaked prior to 1950? And again, prior to 1950, Ben himself, Jim M, and Brian liked it the best.
It is a waste if you feel it is.
How much water does it take to make your glass become a fraction of full?
With all due respect, pma seems to be an acronym you are not familiar with, perhaps more so pms. It seems that the tone you carry is always more negative in fashion than anything else thru your posts...
I suggest boning up on some Steven Covey, a trip down memory lane with Ziglar, and then some Carnegie. Maybe in person you are sweeter than candy, but bitter when it comes to keystrokes, maybe childhood issues of some sort.
His swing is awesome beyond 1950. This is the swing that is most admired, it is this swing that took him to the top of major championship golf. Again, I may be biased since I prefer the post swing, but it is what it is. Now, should the changes have not been made, who's to stay that he may have peaked prior to 1950? And again, prior to 1950, Ben himself, Jim M, and Brian liked it the best.
It is a waste if you feel it is.
How much water does it take to make your glass become a fraction of full?
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