The Brian Manzella Short Game Matrix - Preview

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Erik_K

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dannyc said:
thanks for sharing your experience erik!
i am afraid that i don't know what the 9 pitches are...leading edge, mid sole, lob...?
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3 pitch shots are:

Mid-sole - clubhead finishes up the right arm. You are after a sweeping motion here

Leading edge divot - clubhead is below the hands (hitting down on it)

Trailing edge (controlled club head throwaway for a high lob shot)

With these three pitch shots you can add:

Full roll swivel - add 'draw' spin. The ball will run more

Reverse roll - for a higher, softer shot

Nothing/neutral - no extra spin per se

Brian is obviously much better at explaining this than I am.
 
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I hope this doesn't come across in the wrong way. I'm not claiming to be able to execute these shots with consistency. Brian helped me with chunking during my lesson a few months ago. He drew the matrix on the ground and demonstrated the shots for me. Key for me was eliminating pop-out and coming in more shallow.

My observation is that these shots have existed for a very long time. I may not have had a name for them, but in the early 60's, and thereafter I definitely understood hitting a chip with draw spin and a pitch with cut spin.
Back then for me, the mind didn't interfere with the swing to the degree it sometimes does now. I think the trend was to move away from manipulating a wedge towards practicing one motion and changing clubs. Playing different shots is more fun.

I look forward to Brian's shortgame video.
 
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needham

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Erik_K said:
3 pitch shots are:

Mid-sole - clubhead finishes up the right arm. You are after a sweeping motion here

Leading edge divot - clubhead is below the hands (hitting down on it)

Trailing edge (controlled club head throwaway for a high lob shot)

With these three pitch shots you can add:

Full roll swivel - add 'draw' spin. The ball will run more

Reverse roll - for a higher, softer shot

Nothing/neutral - no extra spin per se

Brian is obviously much better at explaining this than I am.
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3 shots being executed with all 3 hinges......3x3=9 DUH!......I feel silly now
 
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Erik_K said:
3 pitch shots are:

Mid-sole - clubhead finishes up the right arm. You are after a sweeping motion here

Leading edge divot - clubhead is below the hands (hitting down on it)

Trailing edge (controlled club head throwaway for a high lob shot)

With these three pitch shots you can add:

Full roll swivel - add 'draw' spin. The ball will run more

Reverse roll - for a higher, softer shot

Nothing/neutral - no extra spin per se

Brian is obviously much better at explaining this than I am.
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I thought that the Trackman data and high speed camera pictures etc show that hinge action during the impact interval is impossible/does not happen.

So surely the results come from a variable other than hinge action such as path, face angle, AoA.

Hopefully Brian or Damon or one of the Academy gang can clarify.
 
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savydan

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The impact interval is roughly 0.0004 of a second.

That's 4 ten-thousanths of a second.

For the mathematically challenged, that's a pretty short time.

So the face angle, path, etc. "is what it is" during the impact interval.
 
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There will be a video on the Brian Manzella Short Game Matrix, so I am not going to give too much away, but Erik has explained the basic 9 shots well.

There is NO HINGE ACTION, per se.

Just a closing face, and opening face, and a "normal" face.

But it could easily be a closed, open, and square face.
 
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needham

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kevin while I agree with the above 1000%,,,,, I thought Brian said the hinge action post impact was non-sense?

posted by Kevin:

Yes but the idea has to be in your head well before impact and you will prepare for different hinge actions. For instance, full roll will be put into effect first move of the downswing.
_________________ (in the thread "short game lesson"

does this not show there are 3 different hinges action you can prepare to do?
just want to make sure we all on the same page.
"closing" = horizontal
"opening" = vertical
"normal"= angled
right???????????????????
 
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dannyc

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needham said:
does this not show there are 3 different hinges action you can prepare to do?
just want to make sure we all on the same page.
"closing" = horizontal
"opening" = vertical
"normal"= angled
right???????????????????
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any one can have any of these conditions post impact.
the point is that it can't physically happen during the impact interval.
 
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needham

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danny what happens post impact is a direct result of what you were doing through impact. You must prepare to finsh at address.

that is why when you have different "post impact" conditions the ball flight is different.
 
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dannyc

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needham said:
danny what happens post impact is a direct result of what you were doing through impact. You must prepare to finsh at address.
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thanks for that.

needham said:
that is why when you have different "post impact" conditions the ball flight is different.
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they don't happen when the club is on the ball is all i was saying.

so, yes closing = horiz
normal = angled
open = vert
 
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needham

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dannyc said:
thanks for that.

were you being snide here?



they don't happen when the club is on the ball is all i was saying.

so, yes closing = horiz
normal = angled
open = vert
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I think we are saying mostly the same thing. while true your hinge is not doing all this DURING the time between impact and separation.

I am just saying the prep you do in order to have a hor/ang/vert hinge makes different impact condidtions, threw all your planes lines and AoA, path, face angle and all that important stuff.

can we agree on that? (I ask in seriousness cause I want to make sure the thinking is right for my own education)

thanks
 
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dannyc

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needham said:
were you being snide here?
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haha...busted. my bad ;)

needham said:
I think we are saying mostly the same thing. while true your hinge is not doing all this DURING the time between impact and separation.

I am just saying the prep you do in order to have a hor/ang/vert hinge makes different impact condidtions, threw all your planes lines and AoA, path, face angle and all that important stuff.

can we agree on that? (I ask in seriousness cause I want to make sure the thinking is right for my own education)

thanks
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yep, agreed.
 
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