The Doyle-Manzella cut shot

[diggerdog]

The Doyle-Manzella inside-out cut shot or the TGM book "literalist" one? What is the difference?

 

[dannyc]

oh, nice question. i have heard this spoken of, but have no idea what it is.

in fact, kevin, if you are out there, i think i remember you saying you had a young student that could do this well...mind to explain?

 

[Brian Manzella]

The Doyle-Manzella inside-out cut shot or the TGM book "literalist" one? What is the difference?

To me, a "cut" shot, is a shot with a clubface open to the path, which puts CUT spin on the ball.

"Draw" spin is imparted the opposite way, with a clubface CLOSED to the path, imparting slight hook spin.

An "inside-out" swing is a swing that is generally considered to be one that is TO THE RIGHT of the stance, and(or) the target line.

But, of course, any shpt hit on the way down, is by DEFINITION and "inside-out" contact strike.

So, to me—and obviously to Ben—an "inside-out cut shot," would be a shot, hit with a swing—at or slightly to the right of your normal stance/target line—hit on the way down, with an open face.

That would also be the shot Tiger Woods or Jack Nicklaus or Wedgy Winchester would hit if asked while doing a clinic.

If you exaggerate the inside-out-ness and the open clubface-ness (the cut part), you literally can not flip it, or over leakage-close the face, and on video, you will look more like Mike Finney, and less like a hang back-sweep-flip-hacker.

But, to be completely honest, I haven't used the drill in a couple of years.

I have other, better ways, around the problems that that drill would help.

But I could see the spot where I might still use it.

The "book literalist" way, and trust me, I don't want to talk about what is on isn't in or implied in a book, any book, written by someone who passed away years ago and can't defend or correct his work or anyone's interpretation of it, is.....

Swing way to the right of your stance-target line, with a square clubface. Usually with a short motion. Supposed to show how the ball will go "sorta" straight, even if you swing inside-out, supposedly to teach the golfer not to steer, witch means have the clubhead go at the target.

It is goofy at best, and could ruin someone at worse, and it makes me ill to write about something so totally un-golf like.

It was once used at a seminar, to show how a ball would still go straight if you swung 11 or more degrees inside-out and the ball would go straight.

It didn't.

It won't.

It never did.

Thank you TrackMan, and Dr. Jorgensen.

Next subject.

Please.

 

[tongzilla]

granted, if you hit a little chip shot with the face pointing at target at impact, it will still probably go reasonably straight with the path 11 deg inside-out. However, obviously not with higher clubhead speeds.