The Fix

[Jared Willerson]

I enjoyed the thread on managing expectations by 30yr, and the comment by Thomas on his miss being a pull. I have the same problem.

I've been really working hard on the downswing pivot, but something told me I still was not using my backswing pivot properly. I was confused about the Shoulder Turn Takeaway and the Right Forearm Pickup. I had mistaken the immediate wrist bend seen in Finney's swing as RFP.

Anyway I was coming too inside and coming over it a bit and pulling it, so I called Brian, he told me immediately that I was not clearing my right hip fast enough on the backswing.....If you clear your right hip you don't have to worry about coming too far to the inside on the backswing. The focus should be the end of the backswing.

Made a lot of sense to me, really mashed the ball yesterday while practicing. My downswing pivot improved immediately and another thing that really helped was working off of impact fix.

What ya'll think.

 

[Bill Miracle]

Unfortunately, I wasn't thinking much about what

I enjoyed the thread on managing expectations by 30yr, and the comment by Thomas on his miss being a pull. I have the same problem.

I've been really working hard on the downswing pivot, but something told me I still was not using my backswing pivot properly. I was confused about the Shoulder Turn Takeaway and the Right Forearm Pickup. I had mistaken the immediate wrist bend seen in Finney's swing as RFP.

Anyway I was coming too inside and coming over it a bit and pulling it, so I called Brian, he told me immediately that I was not clearing my right hip fast enough on the backswing.....If you clear your right hip you don't have to worry about coming too far to the inside on the backswing. The focus should be the end of the backswing.

Made a lot of sense to me, really mashed the ball yesterday while practicing. My downswing pivot improved immediately and another thing that really helped was working off of impact fix.

What ya'll think.

was going on with the hips. One thing I think I've learned...when I pull the ball, it seems i hit the ball on the center aft of the ball. When the ball goes straight (or with slight draw), I focused on hitting inside aft of ball. When ball goes straight right....overcooked going for inside aft of ball.

I have been posing in the mirror alot before my good fortune yesterday. Was focusing on good shoulder turn and pivot back. I don't know if this just all sunk in or if the set up is making the back swing easier.

The only thoughts I had on taking it back was turn the shoulders and at some point, bend the right wrist back and hold it.

 

[shootin4par]

he told me immediately that I was not clearing my right hip fast enough on the backswing.....If you clear your right hip you don't have to worry about coming too far to the inside on the backswing. The focus should be the end of the backswing.QUOTE]
can you elaborate on how to clear the right hip on the back swing?

 

[Jared Willerson]

How I took it was making sure I pivoted correctly by turning both my shoulders and hips. My right hip feels as though it goes as deep as it can with no sway at all.

Turning the shoulders while not moving the hips creates a "too inside" backswing, that becomes arm dominated.

 

[shootin4par]

How I took it was making sure I pivoted correctly by turning both my shoulders and hips. My right hip feels as though it goes as deep as it can with no sway at all.

Turning the shoulders while not moving the hips creates a "too inside" backswing, that becomes arm dominated.

so in essence if you were doing the tush line drill your rear cheek would cross over that line on the way back? and that would help the front cheek do the same on the way forward

 

[tbarbertab]

Me too...

At the range tonight, I stumbled onto this myself - allowing the rear hip to rotate earlier and deeper on the backswing. Tried this while working on the driver. Produced nice boring draws with good power. Only problem is, this contradicts what my local instructor would have me do. He likes restricted hips on the backswing.

I'm going to see Brian next week so hopefully he can get me straight on this.

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

Turning the shoulders while not moving the hips creates a "too inside" backswing, that becomes arm dominated.

I'd like to clarify that FOR YOU the above is what creates a "too inside" movement however for SOMEONE ELSE this might FIX, YES FIX a "too inside" move.

For instance i have a student who turns his HIPS TOO MUCH which SUCKS THE CLUB INSIDE TOO MUCH and leads to a FLAT BACKSWING.

To get him to swing "more normal" i have to make him move his HIPS LESS.

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So moral of the story is that there are MANY WAYS to "get'r done!"

 

[Jared Willerson]

Jim, not trying to be argumentative but, how is that so? The deeper your hips get the less likely you will be to get too far inside.

What was happening in my swing is my hips, although I felt I was turning them enough, I wasn't at which point my arms would finish the backswing - that is what led to an inside move for me.

Brian's words to me were, the sooner you turn your hips, you won't have to worry about "too inside", instead focus on your alignments at the end of the backswing.

I guess my question is how could someone get in trouble by turning their hips too much, without an independent arm movement that puts them too far inside?

 

[Spike]

"Too far to the inside" is when the hands are crossing the center line of the body. If the hands can stay in front of the body during a backswing pivot you will never come too far to the inside.

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

Jim, not trying to be argumentative but, how is that so? The deeper your hips get the less likely you will be to get too far inside.

What was happening in my swing is my hips, although I felt I was turning them enough, I wasn't at which point my arms would finish the backswing - that is what led to an inside move for me.

Brian's words to me were, the sooner you turn your hips, you won't have to worry about "too inside", instead focus on your alignments at the end of the backswing.

I guess my question is how could someone get in trouble by turning their hips too much, without an independent arm movement that puts them too far inside?

When you use a shoulder turn takeaway and turn the hips turns sharply it brings EVERYTHING inside too quick. If you wait a bit before the hips turn it allows you "more time" to get the club going up the plane and not end up too flat.

Does that give you more of a visual? Again this isn't a 100% thing, everyone does things different and that is why i made that distinction here

 

[birdie_man]

"Too far to the inside" is when the hands are crossing the center line of the body. If the hands can stay in front of the body during a backswing pivot you will never come too far to the inside.

You must mean before halfway back eh. (shaft parallel to ground in backswing)

I more or less agree generally.

 

[Spike]

You must mean before halfway back eh. (shaft parallel to ground in backswing)

I more or less agree generally.

Yes, B_man, Thanks for making it more clear.