I've been researching the archives and looking at everything I can find on the SPL. I saw this question a few times but never an answer, maybe someone can help. When attempting to trace the SPL with the Rt. Shoulder where would you imagine or actually put a laser pointer? Would it be parallel or perindicular to the right shoulder?
The Right Shoulder and Tracing a Straight Plane Line
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At the top of your backswing, you would put the laser on the top of your right shoulde and have it point at the ball. There are a couple of ways to imagine it, I think in one of Brian's videos he flips a golf club upside down, puts the head of the club on his shoulder and points the butt end at the ball, the shaft then represent the plane that you want to drive the shoulder down.
Location of the Right Shoulder
First, let us consider we are talking about a zero shift the golfers hands will arrive at the Top and shoulder high in line with the right shoulder. Second, golfer at the Top has a choice of trigger types but for this point let's use a Shoulder Turn Throw however, the Power Package Assembly Point would be at the End (10-21-C) but level with the right shoulder. A shrpe initial acceleration of the Shoulder turn agianst the #4 Pressure Point (10-20-C). Now the golfer can take the right shoulder down this plane angle. The golfer will want to keep the right shoulder moving so to not to run out of right arm. One could imgine this strainght line from their start down waggle and direct it accordingly (8-7) From The Top. Sorry for jumping around the Book.
Hope this helps,
First, let us consider we are talking about a zero shift the golfers hands will arrive at the Top and shoulder high in line with the right shoulder. Second, golfer at the Top has a choice of trigger types but for this point let's use a Shoulder Turn Throw however, the Power Package Assembly Point would be at the End (10-21-C) but level with the right shoulder. A shrpe initial acceleration of the Shoulder turn agianst the #4 Pressure Point (10-20-C). Now the golfer can take the right shoulder down this plane angle. The golfer will want to keep the right shoulder moving so to not to run out of right arm. One could imgine this strainght line from their start down waggle and direct it accordingly (8-7) From The Top. Sorry for jumping around the Book.
Hope this helps,
Bill Miracle
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Great technical responses PBS...but...
that's exactly why I love Brian's explanations. He leaves out the book for the most part by giving the explanations in lay terms. My eyes started rolling trying to figure that one out. Care to decipher for those of us that have the book collecting dust?
that's exactly why I love Brian's explanations. He leaves out the book for the most part by giving the explanations in lay terms. My eyes started rolling trying to figure that one out. Care to decipher for those of us that have the book collecting dust?
Brian Manzella
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Saved by the Stallion...
The RIGHT SHOULDER AREA is very important to the athletic motion of any right-handed competitor.
From the top of ANY baseball swing, boxing punch, football throw, etc, the SHOULDER AREA has to go some place (because totally stationary is deadsville).
In the golf swing—with an effective pivot—the SHOULDER AREA will provide two VERY IMPORTANT things:
For example....if you are a hooker, plagued by underplane and out-to-right-field clubhead path, you need your shoulder to help you swing more left. So...the shoulder has to go more toward your left heel from the top, and less toward your right heel.
Most folks who come "over the top" need to feel like they put in in their right pants pocket to stop roundhousing.
Get it?
The ball is down there, down-plane, and all force should go there as well.
The use of a laser CAN help some folks do a better job.
Here's how:
The RIGHT SHOULDER AREA is very important to the athletic motion of any right-handed competitor.
From the top of ANY baseball swing, boxing punch, football throw, etc, the SHOULDER AREA has to go some place (because totally stationary is deadsville).
In the golf swing—with an effective pivot—the SHOULDER AREA will provide two VERY IMPORTANT things:
Direction.
Power.
Power.
For example....if you are a hooker, plagued by underplane and out-to-right-field clubhead path, you need your shoulder to help you swing more left. So...the shoulder has to go more toward your left heel from the top, and less toward your right heel.
Most folks who come "over the top" need to feel like they put in in their right pants pocket to stop roundhousing.
Get it?
So, ideally, where do you want it to go?
Same place as the clubhead—DOWN PLANE.
Same place as the clubhead—DOWN PLANE.
The ball is down there, down-plane, and all force should go there as well.
The use of a laser CAN help some folks do a better job.
Here's how:
At the top of a posed swing with the right hand only, use your left hand to point the laser from a spot just in front of your right shoulder toward the plane line (out to the far right of the ball).
Then make movements TOWARD the ball, keeping the laser pointed to the line.
In lots of patterns, the laser won't go all the way through on the line, for various geometrical reasons. But I have rarely seen anyone hurt by trying for all the way through. The best LPGAers do this.....'cause they can.
Then make movements TOWARD the ball, keeping the laser pointed to the line.
In lots of patterns, the laser won't go all the way through on the line, for various geometrical reasons. But I have rarely seen anyone hurt by trying for all the way through. The best LPGAers do this.....'cause they can.
I would love to!
Brian's gives the best explanations I do agree 100%. He is an eloquent communicater and has a deeper knowladge base than myself. I would love to however, Bill I am just going out the door to the lesson tee to start the afternoon golf school. But, I will say don't spin your shoulders horizontal with the ground it could produce round housing. Take the right shoulder down the plane angle of your choice and I did apologist for all the referances to the Book and will once again I'm sorry. Brian, has a true gift and can fix anyones motion in 5 minutes. I have spent a little time with Brian and he is TOPS. I was just providing references for those who may care to look for themselves.
Thanks for your understanding!
Brian's gives the best explanations I do agree 100%. He is an eloquent communicater and has a deeper knowladge base than myself. I would love to however, Bill I am just going out the door to the lesson tee to start the afternoon golf school. But, I will say don't spin your shoulders horizontal with the ground it could produce round housing. Take the right shoulder down the plane angle of your choice and I did apologist for all the referances to the Book and will once again I'm sorry. Brian, has a true gift and can fix anyones motion in 5 minutes. I have spent a little time with Brian and he is TOPS. I was just providing references for those who may care to look for themselves.
Thanks for your understanding!
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2mongoose
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2mongoose
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The RIGHT SHOULDER AREA is very important to the athletic motion of any right-handed competitor.
From the top of ANY baseball swing, boxing punch, football throw, etc, the SHOULDER AREA has to go some place (because totally stationary is deadsville).
In the golf swing—with an effective pivot—the SHOULDER AREA will provide two VERY IMPORTANT things:
Direction.
Power.
For example....if you are a hooker, plagued by underplane and out-to-right-field clubhead path, you need your shoulder to help you swing more left. So...the shoulder has to go more toward your left heel from the top, and less toward your right heel.
Most folks who come "over the top" need to feel like they put in in their right pants pocket to stop roundhousing.
Get it?
So, ideally, where do you want it to go?
Same place as the clubhead—DOWN PLANE.
The ball is down there, down-plane, and all force should go there as well.
The use of a laser CAN help some folks do a better job.
Here's how:
At the top of a posed swing with the right hand only, use your left hand to point the laser from a spot just in front of your right shoulder toward the plane line (out to the far right of the ball).
Then make movements TOWARD the ball, keeping the laser pointed to the line.
In lots of patterns, the laser won't go all the way through on the line, for various geometrical reasons. But I have rarely seen anyone hurt by trying for all the way through. The best LPGAers do this.....'cause they can.
Brian,
How different/incorrect/whatever would it be if I traced a straight plane line w/ the PP3? Would I still be getting enough down and out? I think yes but.....
Jim Kobylinski
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You need BOTH; when i went to see Brian in Orlando 2 years ago i had probably one of the straightest plane line there from the students and hit the ball very straight generally (slight fades/draws)
BUT
It really wasn't going anywhere distance wise because the right shoulder was way above plane and to still trace a straight plane line i had to release the club very early and i lost a lot of speed.
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Thats why i tell people plane lasers are great and dangeorus at the same time because you could still do damage if you trace that line with an off plane right shoulder.
For me, I've found the right shoulder to be SOOOOOO Key. I was a hooker...went to a NHA pattern. Semi fixed me, but lost some distance. Last lessons I had w/ Brian he took me the other way, and the biggest thing I noticed was how much "deeper" my right shoulder was getting at the top of my swing. From there, I had so much room to just pivot and move my right shoulder right down plane and Boom....Hello distance. When I'm hitting it bad, these are the thoughts I immediately turn to.
The RIGHT SHOULDER AREA is very important to the athletic motion of any right-handed competitor.
From the top of ANY baseball swing, boxing punch, football throw, etc, the SHOULDER AREA has to go some place (because totally stationary is deadsville).
In the golf swing—with an effective pivot—the SHOULDER AREA will provide two VERY IMPORTANT things:
Direction.
Power.
For example....if you are a hooker, plagued by underplane and out-to-right-field clubhead path, you need your shoulder to help you swing more left. So...the shoulder has to go more toward your left heel from the top, and less toward your right heel.
Most folks who come "over the top" need to feel like they put in in their right pants pocket to stop roundhousing.
Get it?
So, ideally, where do you want it to go?
Same place as the clubhead—DOWN PLANE.
The ball is down there, down-plane, and all force should go there as well.
The use of a laser CAN help some folks do a better job.
Here's how:
At the top of a posed swing with the right hand only, use your left hand to point the laser from a spot just in front of your right shoulder toward the plane line (out to the far right of the ball).
Then make movements TOWARD the ball, keeping the laser pointed to the line.
In lots of patterns, the laser won't go all the way through on the line, for various geometrical reasons. But I have rarely seen anyone hurt by trying for all the way through. The best LPGAers do this.....'cause they can.
That's why I love this forum, thanks Brian.
birdie_man
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Jim how did you fix it? Was there another root cause?
interesting. sounds like someone I know.
Could you please explain what you mean by " how much deeper your right shoulder gets at the top of your swing." Do you mean shoulder turn ? Thanks.Jim Kobylinski
Super Moderator
Brian helped, but Tom worked a lot with me in Orlando and i just practiced. Root cause was not enough axis tilt.
birdie_man
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Cool Jim.
BTW Brian.........excellent post.
BTW Brian.........excellent post.
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