The Science of Project 1.68 (as of 12-3-11)

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Brian Manzella

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I put the date in the tread title because I am SURE it will change somewhat after our symposium.

Sure of it.

What other teaching group/method/company would say such a thing?

None.

We have branded ourselves as the guys who will change anything or everything tomorrow if we learn that it is not scientifically valid, or doesn't produce scientific ideals.

Why do we say such a thing?

Because, simply put I can get it done on the lesson tee teaching anything. And I have surrounded myself with a group of guys (we are adding two more at AS2) who can do the same. So, when we learn new things from the scientists—or adjust things we don't have quite correct—it has always, ALWAYS, made us teach better almost instantly.

We are nowhere near publishing an official p1.68 text, but we have put some of the stuff out that is being taught right now.

Here is THE list of the science of project 1.68 as of today.

1. The Resultant Path (HSP/VSP/AofA) by Fredrik Tuxen and the D-Plane by Theodore Jorgensen.
2. Tour angle of attack study by TrackMan (on the PGA and LPGA tours) and Flightscope (Euro tour).
3. The hub path study, and work and power study, by Dr. Steven Nesbit.
4. The 2d representation of the 3d motion of the primary two levers, as put forth by Dr. Aaron Zick.
5. The bending modes of the shaft by Dr. Sasho MacKenzie.
6. The above five "tenets" overlaid on the POSITIONAL analyses of every Tour 3D capture study we can obtain, including Model Golf by Dr. Ralph Mann, Individual PGA tour player and TOUR COMPOSITE capture/calculations of the TaylorMade MATT-T system, the AMM/TPI studies by Phil Cheetham and TPI.

It's petty, or sad, or mostly both, listening to folks take shots at our science when this is the first time I have "published" a list.

And, again what sets us apart from EVERY OTHER TEACHING GROUP that I know is that we don't wait for other pros or non pros to tell us what they think of those 6, we are PUBLICLY going to test the validity of our interpretations of them LIVE AT THE ANTI-SUMMIT 2.

Would any other group do this?

It is really too bad the AS2 isn't a whole week, that way we could have a day for the 5 leading methodologies to each present their work for scientific and peer review.

We don't.

We have 7 hours, and we have to catch a lot of folks—they'll be about 50-55 people in the room—up with what the scientists have told us, and what they haven't heard from each other.

But, and this goes for anyone, and I mean anyone, if you have a question or two (not 12 like SteveT) I will do everything I can to get it asked and answered at AS2.

Since we published our list of science—as of now—where are the other "leading" methodology's lists?

Apparently, just asking this question has made many folks not very happy.

Anyhoo, there's our list. If you follow our stuff and it has helped your teaching or playing or both, there is a good study list.

Learn from it all you want.

If you are a critic, detractor, or fervent competitor, do some work and see if it is valid.

Oh, wait.....we are doing it ourselves LIVE on Monday.

And we'll ask about your stuff too.
 

Brian Manzella

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Just wanted to add....

Mike Jacobs, Mike Finney, and Jon Hardesty have looked at, and studied 100's of published scientific papers in the project.

Mike Jacobs looked at practically every single one about the forces on the club.

My little list is just what we have adopted.
 
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SteveT

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But, any this goes for anyone, and I mean anyone, if you have a question or two (not 12 like SteveT) I will do everything I can to get it asked an answered at AS2.

Yes, Brian... you are doing pioneering work to introduce legit science to golfswing teaching with Project 1.68, and with your distinguished scientific team to back you up.

However, I did not post up 12 questions, only six(6)... and they were cogent questions that your scientific team should cherish and enjoy, which I assume you will present to them. I hope you gave the scientific team some advance notice of my questions so they could read the studies I quoted and thus be fully prepared at the AS2 conference. That's the scientific way.

p.s. Do you want me to give you 6 more questions to top it off at 12?
 

Brian Manzella

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Yes, Brian... you are doing pioneering work to introduce legit science to golfswing teaching with Project 1.68, and with your distinguished scientific team to back you up.

However, I did not post up 12 questions, only six(6)... and they were cogent questions that your scientific team should cherish and enjoy, which I assume you will present to them. I hope you gave the scientific team some advance notice of my questions so they could read the studies I quoted and thus be fully prepared at the AS2 conference. That's the scientific way.

p.s. Do you want me to give you 6 more questions to top it off at 12?
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I will ask everyone of your I can....but we only have 7 hours.

If we hard one person asking question after question after question and asking for detailed explanations and rebottles, there would be a revolt. We have folks coming from Belgium, England, the west coast, etc. it wouldn't be fair to them. Although this has been spun every which way, I simply am trying to put on a great conference.

I know Steve, that you are cool with the science, and I will do my best to get answers to your questions.
 
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SteveT

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I will ask everyone of your I can....but we only have 7 hours.

If we hard one person asking question after question after question and asking for detailed explanations and rebottles, there would be a revolt. We have folks coming from Belgium, England, the west coast, etc. it wouldn't be fair to them. Although this has been spun every which way, I simply am trying to put on a great conference.

I know Steve, that you are cool with the science, and I will do my best to get answers to your questions.


Brian... I appreciate the time restraints, but I believe my questions are significant to AS2. I am hoping you have given the scientific team an advanced current list of the questions... or the scientific team has already read the forum questions and prepared themselves. Alternatively, some of my questions requiring detailed study should only be posed and the responses given in the future.

Your priority should be the questions from the attendees. Have a vigorous and productive conference. Wish I could have attended.
 
Is steveT employed by a marketing firm hired to hype up project 1.68?

If not, why does he promote it so often? My understanding was that it was still a work in progress.

I am excited about it too, as I'm sure most of the forum is. I just find it strange that this project has it's own hype man already. If steveT is being compensated or has invested in it, lets unleash him on other golf forums...If he isn't, he is welcome to stop preaching to the choir.
 
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