Thre G.O.L.F. Guys and You Golf School REVIEW!

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Brian Manzella

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One of the things I have always done--ever since my first lesson--was self review.

I do it from a few perspectives these days:

1. Did the student get better?
2. Did the student think they got better?
3. Did the student get moved topward ideal?
4. Did the instructor(me) do the very best possible?
5. Did I get closer to my</u> goals?
6. Did both of us have fun?

I grade REAL hard.

At this school, which was a dream of mine to do, I had a plan. But, if you have three Generals and one war, you have three plans.

It became obvious that Ben is the very best at being a DRILL SARGENT.

He has a goal: the perfect golfer (solider), and has boot camp (bunker) and tacical drills (chip, pitch and punch on the range).

He sees with TUNNEL VISION, and thinks that it not only CAN BE DONE, he thinks it SHOULD be.

Lynn is the Tacics Master, defining the best case possiblities and explaining them like Knute Rockne and Vice Lombardi.

Homer's two patterns, like Lomabrdi's power sweep and off-tackle play, are repeated until the Coach thinks they are done correctly.

He has tunnel vision also, but not to the extent of Ben.

As for me, I am the guy on the front lines, making it up as I go along. Like a Quarterback the Field General he is nicknamed for, he is always running to the sidelines explaining why he threw the screen pass for 55 yards instead of the play that was called.

I just have lived in the real world so long, I can't help but fix a tie on a guy going to the prom, BEFORE I tell him what time to get my daughter home for.

We all GOT RESULTS.

There really wasn't any confusion and the Q and A sessions, may the be the best of all-time.

Bottom line: the School was great and everyone learned and had a great time.

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wanole

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How did the teaching go? Did a student stay with the same teacher the whole weekend or did you rotate? I would think it might get confusing with the different ways of teaching.

Just curious what the process was.
 
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6bee1dee

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quote:Originally posted by wanole

How did the teaching go? Did a student stay with the same teacher the whole weekend or did you rotate? I would think it might get confusing with the different ways of teaching.

Just curious what the process was.
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Everyone moved from instructor to instructor- including having the chance to work with Mike Finney and Ted Fort, both class acts. Several AIs were on hand, to learn, as well. This workshop should be offered every year.

Little if any differences on the lesson tee. Lynn and Brian tailored their instructor to each student's need. Lynn never misses, as his classroom lessons transfers easily onto the lesson tee. And I was very impressed with Brian's ability to diagnosis and fix any swing flaw. Brian is a great guy and teacher.
Ben taught in the Bunker with each student having a chance to pass the 'test.' Ben's discipline is infectious. I have to say each student steps into the ball the same way after the workshop. LOL. It was great to be able to work on his Mat, too!

This was a landmark event. I don't know many workshops that have the marquee instructors, not only instruct, but stay on the range past 8 o'clock and then have steaks and drinks with you. TGM is great- it attracts some very fine people.

This was a workshop that the home office of The Golfing Machine should have been proud of and promoted it with press releases, news stories or something. Instead, they, he, chose to ignore it. Pity
 
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I must agree with both 6b and Brian, I could not have said it better myself!
Brian, everyone associated with this school passed with flying colors, no matter how hard the grading system, and by the way everything you do is a test!!

Mike,
Your comments about the home office are right on the mark, I sincerely hope this event happens again and again and again and every AI has the chance to share in the experience. We should use all our resources to promote Mr. Kelley's great work.

Great job to all involved including my fellow students!!

Todd
 
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davel

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Brian definitelly hit the mark on the excellence of the school. I am also a hard grader and my expectations all were exceeded. They were abandon all thought of how I currentlly swing the club. Have the finest teachers in the world tell me show etc. to make a swing like I never did before. Teach me the why's of what I am doing and have me understand my swing mechanics. Have success in employing my brand new swing to know I am on the right path. Leave with a program of drills, exercises, etc. to work on to refine and ingrain this swing. This was all accomplished! A final note on ben. I was caught more than once swinging a club just to loosen up. If Ben saw that He would get right to you and basically say if the club is in your hands you use it the correct way. Bent right wrist, flat left wrist, on plane lagging force go to finish then hold then rest. Never, Never recoil the club!! I learned 2 things from that. If I am swinging be precise. If I am not make sure Ben is not around and can't see you. Please do not relay this to Ben.

Dave
 
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All the teachers did an outstanding job and their approaches were complementary. It helped me to have three people tell me to do the same thing, but in different ways using different cues. I did not sense any ego among the teachers, in that one was better than the other two, just a desire to help the golfer improve. Ben, Brian, Lynn, Mike and Ted are all outstanding instructors and I was priveleged to have an opportunity to learn from all five. As far as how they worked, the teachers attempted to spend quality time with every student, but if a student clicked with one teacher that student could spend as much time as possible with a particular teach.

I agree, Ben was definitely the drill sergeant. Everything had to be done to his standards, from moving the ball into position, (right wrist in a bent position maintaining lag, no hitting at the ball to move it), to addressing the ball, to the rest between shots. If you did not do it to his standards, he would make you re-start from the beginning. He did that with everyone, even to the other instructors. Brian and Lynn both worked to get the swing on plane and the club under control. Lynn was more by the book while Brian would have you try different moves. But the bottom line was you ended in the same positions.

A fantastic learning experience.
 
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rbaumgolf

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After returning home I was really anxious to take what I learned from all the AI's to the course. There were so many things running through my mind (Brian, Ben, Lynn, and Ted's voices were echoing in my mind setup, grip, plane line, startdown, flail, ) that I could barely swing the club - this lasted 2 days.

I started doing some additional drills in my garage and even watched Ben's video again on Lynn's site (I understood it so much better) and the video I captured while at the school.

I went back to the course yesterday and just practiced at each hole hitting chips and pitches(the course was empty last night). I must say it is really starting to come around. The swing I have (working toward) is so much different than what I was used to that I have to really concentrate on NOT doing what I used to do.

My focus is on bumping the hips, swinging with the pivot(do not add with the hands) ,and ensuring bent right wrist and proper flail (don't let the club head pass the hands). It was really coming together the last 3 holes. I can feel the changes starting to take effect. It is allot harder than I anticipated. Its always easier with an instructor behind you on a nice level lie - the course will let you know if you've really made progress.

I need to find a way to get Ben to rebound his club during one of his drills that he demo's so I can get him to be my pro for a year:>).
 
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BigBadDonkey

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Hi Guys,
Did you notice any bias towards fixed head, hand controlled pivot or shoulder turn takeaway? e.g did the guys all agree on what was the best takeaway method?
I've just changed my swing to more static headless pivot initiated to a more hand controlled pivot which allows me to break my wrists more in the backswing which seems to give me more lag and more accurate shots.
Interested what they said on this area.
Thanks,
Danny.
 
tongzilla

tongzilla

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Danny:

Right Forearm Pickup has more precision, but not suitable (to begin with anyway) for people with a built-in reverse pivot.

Ben Doyle teaches you to use your Pivot (shoulders, back and hips) to do the work and take the club away. However, this is not the same as a pivot-controlled hands procedure. He is merely teaching you the correct way to use your Zone #1 (9-1) components which must be mastered before your Hands, Zone #3 (9-3), can do their job properly.

When you say "break my wrists", I assume you're talking about Left Wrist Cock. The type of takeaway you use is independent of the amount of Left Wrist Cock you have. You may also be referring to a Full/Random Sweep Loading Action (10-22-A/B) as opposed to Snap Loading (10-22-C). But without further clarification, I am unable to diagnose your problem properly.
 
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holenone

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quote:Originally posted by tongzilla

Danny:

Right Forearm Pickup has more precision, but not suitable (to begin with anyway) for people with a built-in reverse pivot.

Ben Doyle teaches you to use your Pivot (shoulders, back and hips) to do the work and take the club away. However, this is not the same as a pivot-controlled hands procedure. He is merely teaching you the correct way to use your Zone #1 (9-1) components which must be mastered before your Hands, Zone #3 (9-3), can do their job properly.
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Great post, Tong. Right on!
 
oztrainee

oztrainee

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Training the pivot is important, as Tong said... But once is trained... we should work on the hands and the feel of the fingers. It will only work if you understand both...
 
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BigBadDonkey

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Thanks Tong oz ,
I was swaying too much, with too much reverse tilt, and the club was getting way to far inside. So I kinda done what Brian said.. lift more, (with my hands and arms) and it feels like I'm giving the club better directionprecision.. or that's how it feels.
I coudn't reverse pivot if I tried.. I tend to do the opposite too much.
Keeping my body head stiller (no swaying) and just using my handsarms more seemed to have helped. As for the wrist break .. I use the Manzella twistaway move.
Anyway, don't want to hijack this thread... good to hear the school was a great success and wish I could have made it.
Danny.
 
oztrainee

oztrainee

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The hands play a very very important role in the golf swing, if we look at biomechanics-Motor learning. Our hands affect our overall balance of our body. Hands + optics - brain - body....

or could that be the other way round?
 
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