tic tock, tic tock....time to do battle with Capt Hook...

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Bill Miracle

Bill Miracle

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I guess you can call me Peter Pan now. My good shots have become a soft draw. Haven't sliced one in a long time. Occasionally hit the block/push.

What I am really starting to see develop is a hook. I have NHA again but....I have a lot going good with my swing and really don't want to change a lot.

Can I get some help with what are the most common reasons for a hook. My hooks start out either at the target or slightly right of the target. I don't hit a pull hook much anymore.

Thanks!
 
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holeout

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I think the answer in your case is the club swinging too far out to the right. I'm not sure whether one would classify this as a clubface issue or a pivot/swingpath issue (which one causes the other?). I think that in most cases, though, learning to swing a little more left is the fix. Brian knows best though, especially since you've seen him a bunch.

I know when I start hooking the problem is too much axis tilt and an underplane right shoulder. Hitting driver off the deck helps me a lot. Give it a try and see if it helps.
 
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Jared Willerson

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Driver off the deck is one of the best drills out there. If a golfer can do that drill and hit it in the air with a very soft fade, they posses a good swing (or at least, an on plane swing)
 
birdie_man

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Unless your face needs to be more open...........plane line.......word. It was a pretty big "eureka" for me at the end of this past season.

For me.....I really had no idea I was swinging too far to the right for the longest time. ("feel is not real")

I always thought I was tracing a good plane line.....even if I would do it in "slow-mo" it seemed fine. (in reality I probably tilted more and swung more to the right when I was doing an ACTUAL swing.....vs. rehearsal slow-mo swing)

Now that I know better it makes perfect sense....and is (now) so simple I kinda felt dumb when I figured it out.
 
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holeout

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Bill Miracle said:
As birdieman said...you can think you are tracing a plane in slo-mo yet not be doing it during the swing.
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How do you know if you are not underplane?

You will know that you are NOT underplane based on the answer to this question:

Can you hit a driver off the deck?

You absolutely cannot be underplane if you can hit driver off the deck and get it in the air, without hitting it fat.
 
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hcw

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Same swing?

holeout said:
How do you know if you are not underplane?

You will know that you are NOT underplane based on the answer to this question:

Can you hit a driver off the deck?

You absolutely cannot be underplane if you can hit driver off the deck and get it in the air, without hitting it fat.
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...this assumes that you make the same swing hitting it off the deck vs on a tee...i understand that hitting it off the deck as a drill is so that you swing that way on a tee...but we golfers do funny things sometimes:)

-hcw
 
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birdie_man said:
Unless your face needs to be more open...........plane line.......word. It was a pretty big "eureka" for me at the end of this past season.

For me.....I really had no idea I was swinging too far to the right for the longest time. ("feel is not real")

I always thought I was tracing a good plane line.....even if I would do it in "slow-mo" it seemed fine. (in reality I probably tilted more and swung more to the right when I was doing an ACTUAL swing.....vs. rehearsal slow-mo swing)

Now that I know better it makes perfect sense....and is (now) so simple I kinda felt dumb when I figured it out.
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how did you spot you were swinging too far to the right?
How did you fix it?
 
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holeout

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hcw said:
...this assumes that you make the same swing hitting it off the deck vs on a tee...i understand that hitting it off the deck as a drill is so that you swing that way on a tee...but we golfers do funny things sometimes:)

-hcw
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You are correct. It is just a drill. But it does get you to do a lot of good things with your swing, especially for a hooker, even if it doesn't immediately translate over to your "game-time" swing.
 
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hcw

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i totally agree...

holeout said:
...But it does get you to do a lot of good things with your swing, especially for a hooker, even if it doesn't immediately translate over to your "game-time" swing.
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...was just trying to make the point that one can/might do different things under different conditions...
 
birdie_man

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benhogan55 said:
how did you spot you were swinging too far to the right?
How did you fix it?
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Well...............I learned it on this forum a while back..........but didn't impliment it correctly apparently...........

Jim (I think it was Jimbo...and maybe someone else also) once made a comment that I was swinging too far the right. I couldn't "see" it and I think I actually said that "I don't think so"........:rolleyes::).......but I tried anyway...............

It didn't really work because I didn't know how far to the left I actually had to swing. (like I said earlier- I thought I was "tracing a straight plane line" but apparently wasn't)

Thennnnnnnnn.........

I eventually changed my posture (bent over more)........

(which I had actually also tried many times before without success but that is a different story)

That along with lowering my hands and steepening my backswing and I immediately hit it better.........particularily- more powerfully. I was on the range and literally hit about 50 iron shots in a row about as good as I can. ("on the green" or just off...all with great contact and power and very little curve) And my driver felt like it was gonna bust again.

Then it started to wear off. The "lefts" started creeping in and I could feel a need to "hold on" to avoid the hook.

(I know now that this was probably a "too far to the right plane line" slowly creeping back in as I was slowly fearing hitting it left more and more- and trying to compensate for it)

The idea of "swinging more left" had always stayed with me though and between a case of the hooks and chronic toe shots it was one idea I was always going back to. (it did seem to help some but never really clicked in fully)

I then went to get a few of my irons flattened 3 degrees (I'd been meaning to do it).......

The irons really freed me up to swing left and between the clubs and continually working on steepening my backswing and tracing more left in the downswing it all "clicked" at the end of last year.

No more toe shots........a fade........yayyyyyyyyy.........

Hopefully I can continue to improve this season. (which I will)

:)

Yikes that turned into a long story.
 
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shortgamer

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birdie_man said:
Well...............I learned it on this forum a while back..........but didn't impliment it correctly apparently...........

Jim (I think it was Jimbo...and maybe someone else also) once made a comment that I was swinging too far the right. I couldn't "see" it and I think I actually said that "I don't think so"........:rolleyes::).......but I tried anyway...............

It didn't really work because I didn't know how far to the left I actually had to swing. (like I said earlier- I thought I was "tracing a straight plane line" but apparently wasn't)

Thennnnnnnnn.........

I eventually changed my posture (bent over more)........

(which I had actually also tried many times before without success but that is a different story)

That along with lowering my hands and steepening my backswing and I immediately hit it better.........particularily- more powerfully. I was on the range and literally hit about 50 iron shots in a row about as good as I can. ("on the green" or just off with great contact and power) And my driver felt like it was gonna bust again.

Then it started to wear off. The "lefts" started creeping in and I could feel a need to "hold on" to avoid the hook.

(I know now that this was probably a "too far to the right plane line" slowly creeping back in as I was slowly fearing hitting it left more and more- and trying to compensate for it)

The idea of "swinging more left" has always stayed with me though and between a case of the hooks and chronic toe shots it was one idea I was always going back to. (it did seem to help some but never really clicked in fully)

I then went to get a few of my irons flattened 3 degrees (I'd been meaning to do it).......

The irons really freed me up to swing left and between the clubs and continually working on steepening my backswing and tracing more left in the downswing it all "clicked" at the end of last year.

No more toe shots........a fade........yayyyyyyyyy.........

Hopefully I can continue to improve this season. (which I will)

:)

Yikes that turned into a long story.
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Damn, sounds exactly like my story. A few months ago Brian worked with me for two solid hours trying to get me to hit a fade and I could not do it. I can now but for someone that's swung right for 15 years it was hard. Distance with irons is night and day going from swinging right to swinging with the correct path.
 
tourdeep

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birdie_man said:
Well...............I learned it on this forum a while back..........but didn't impliment it correctly apparently...........

Jim (I think it was Jimbo...and maybe someone else also) once made a comment that I was swinging too far the right. I couldn't "see" it and I think I actually said that "I don't think so"........:rolleyes::).......but I tried anyway...............

It didn't really work because I didn't know how far to the left I actually had to swing. (like I said earlier- I thought I was "tracing a straight plane line" but apparently wasn't)

Thennnnnnnnn.........

I eventually changed my posture (bent over more)........

(which I had actually also tried many times before without success but that is a different story)
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:) along with the left foot that Neo pointed out.

Did we not discuss the weight being more on the left side before it became fashionable?

BTW, I have gone more upright with my stance and with it, more tilt.
 
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