Tilt and hip motion affecting PATH, etc...

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Brian,

My long-time go-to move in the downswing has been "left shoulder up."

I like it because it is easy, works well, and adds power.

I feel I may be overdoing it (or at least missing something else) but am unsure.

Even though NHA worked wonders for me, I assume this is why I may have had certain (too inside/out) problems with it. Shanking at times- mostly when hitting down a good bit..and big big push fades.

I have tried integrating more hips into the downswing. Tried to open em once done counterfalling- seemingly like the young Nicklaus clip I just posted. I have been recently resting my shoulder and neck (and it is winter) but in my last experiments, trying to integrate this move gave me quite a case of the shanks.

Embarassingly bad. Back to "lots of twistaway in the backswing to cure this" bad.

I do know opening the hips too early puts your arms in a place (relative to your body and desired path) where you are likely to swing too far in to out...and hit shanks...esp. if you are adding a lot of tilt once you are in that spot.

What do you think of this?

1. Should I look to integrate more hips?

Was my timing simply off when I tried this earlier? (and timing of what moves?)

Movements needs to be smoother? (more seamless)

Use feel and results to gauge just "HOW open?"

2. Should I simply use my current "left shoulder up" move but with more Tumble to start my downswing? (direct arms more left to start / perhaps even hope pivot reacts to that movement)

3. Any other ideas?

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You recently talked about "Pop UP." (left shoulder up too early [and too much?])

I presume I may be a "Pop UPPPER."

Sorry bout the long post but I feel this to be a good topic. I have ignored the hips. I realize now that if they can move independently (which they can) perhaps I need to use them to be more open and control my armswing.

The hips: the next conscious (or at least consciously trained) movement in the chain after The Counterfall? (counterfall puts pressure back onto the left foot)
 
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Call me out if I have you wrong but I believe you have said before that:

1.a. Tilting allows you to swing more left and b. that is why slicers do it. (I always figured it allowed them to close the clubface more)

2. Tilting plainly does not influence path.

(especially call me out on 2. cause while I will run with it, I do feel unsure)

I thought we should revist these things because I always had questions on them and it HAS been a while.

Thanks boss.

Hoping for a good topiK.
 
Carry and Tumble at the same time until you hit it left of Kamloops. ;)

But..

trying to integrate this move gave me quite a case of the shanks.
It's only good if you can square up the face.

I have ignored the hips. I realize now that if the can move independently (which they can) perhaps I need to use them to be more open and control my armswing.
Be more open so you can tumble. But you got to get deep enough going back!

Matt
 
Thanks SC.

Until I hit it left or until I swing left?

I need to experiment with some of this downswing stuff...moves, etc.

Will try a few different things and report back with resuts and video.

Maybe I simply need more "back".....i.e. "left shoulder up and BACK." (will experiment with amounts/feels)

Maybe my hips need to play a more active role.

Maybe etc. etc. etc.

Do not know.

Any input is welcome. I will see what I can do when I hit The Range.
 
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