http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_wU76xMknY&NR=1
perfectly timed club-head throwaway. this is what so many of us fight
perfectly timed club-head throwaway. this is what so many of us fight
timed flip
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Dariusz J.
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It's sort of a slap-hinge release in terms of Henry Cotton. The so-called vertical timing issues happen - opposite to horizontal timing issues as in a crossover release.
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Kevin Shields
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That looks like a million swings that I've seen. Very common problem.
I'm still new to the whole 'flipping' thing but to me it looks like he's rolling his hands through impact. Is that what's considered flipping? I thought flipping was when the left wrist bent at impact. If someone could please clarify this that would be great. Especially since I think my swing is very similar to that video! =/
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thefuture37
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That is textbook flipping. Our own Jeffy does EXACTLY the same thing. Notice the sandbag over the shoulder followthrough on both. I suppose the difference is that Jeffy thinks this is a desirable action.
I'm not familiar with the phrase, but I think the idea is that in his finish he looks like you would if you tossed a sandbag over your shoulder, in that the club is sort of falling vertically back down onto his shoulders.
Compare this with the swivel finish that Brian teaches in NSA, with a proper swivel the club almost comes around the side at the end.
Or, put another way, I think I'm right in saying that in this video the player is definitely above plane after impact. Instead of driving the club down the line, thereby tracing a straight plane line, he has slung the club through impact, and past the ball his shaft is well above plane.
Dariusz J.
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It is not. Textbook flipping occurs when a golfer flips hist wrists without a forward lean of the shaft at impact when wanting to help to bring the ball into the air.
If a golfer has a forward shaft lean at impact and starts his wrists "flipping" action after the initial contact with the ball and the clubhead goes parallelly to the swing arc - it's a classic slap-hinge release. TGM gurus may not consider this release type as desirable because of this "flipping action" conotation, however, it's another method of releasing the club if someones wants or does not want to hear it.
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thefuture37
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what i meant was its a textbook good flip. he is getting everything possible out of that technique
So you can have a leaning shaft with hands in front of the ball and a flat left wrist at impact and still flip it (slap hinge)? Can you still perform the slap-hinge release even if you place the ball way ahead (ie in front or left of your front foot) like in the 'Conf. of Flipper' video? I'm just looking for some sort of drill that will confirm that I'm not performing this slap-hinge flipping move.
And if someone could please explain the slap-hinge release that would be great. It's the first time I've ever heard of it.
Jay
And if someone could please explain the slap-hinge release that would be great. It's the first time I've ever heard of it.
Jay
Dariusz J.
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The slap-hinge release relies on adding power by the unhinging of the right wrist (sort of a modified no.2 power accumulator with the right hand playing the main role and not the left one), thus, it exactly looks like a well-timed flip. The swivel happens very late in the follow-through. It requires an open body at impact (in order to have the clubface perpendicular to the swing arc, and, of course, a flat left wrist at the contact with the ball and a forward shaft lean - just as in all good release types.
There are pros and cons of the slap-hinge release - the main advantage is eliminating the crossover action in the impact zone (making the swing less timing-dependent in this area); the main disadvantage is introducing a motion that may influence finding the perfect bottom arc for a swing in the impact zone (making the swing more timing dependent in this area). Anyhow, if I had to choose between a slap-hinge and a crossover release (having a decent pivot action that excludes thin and fat shots) - I'll always choose a slap-hinge since, IMHO, it brings more consistant results, at least for me.
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There are pros and cons of the slap-hinge release - the main advantage is eliminating the crossover action in the impact zone (making the swing less timing-dependent in this area); the main disadvantage is introducing a motion that may influence finding the perfect bottom arc for a swing in the impact zone (making the swing more timing dependent in this area). Anyhow, if I had to choose between a slap-hinge and a crossover release (having a decent pivot action that excludes thin and fat shots) - I'll always choose a slap-hinge since, IMHO, it brings more consistant results, at least for me.
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thefuture37
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has brian ever commented on his views of the merits of slap hinging? he might view it as simply being satisfied with flipping
Dariusz J.
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Well, I am fully aware that the concept of a slap-hinge release type is not a TGM thing for the reasons I have stated above. I can even presume that TGMers will call it a bad thing (flip) because Mr.Kelley did not mention it (or did not discuss the possible no.5 power accumulator - right wrist unhinging) in his book.
But it does not mean that the Yellow Book covers ALL WISDOM of the golf swing - slap-hinge release is the best prove - it exists and people can and play good golf with it. I do not know what Brian is going to say on the subject - prolly he disregard it the way you suspect - but he has proved not a single time that his golf knowledge surpasses the knowledge included in Mr.Kelley's book.
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But it does not mean that the Yellow Book covers ALL WISDOM of the golf swing - slap-hinge release is the best prove - it exists and people can and play good golf with it. I do not know what Brian is going to say on the subject - prolly he disregard it the way you suspect - but he has proved not a single time that his golf knowledge surpasses the knowledge included in Mr.Kelley's book.
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if you place the ball left of your left foot, and get ball-divot contract, then theres no flip. if you flip it the club will be travelling up-wards by that point and you wont be able to make ball-divot contact, and you wont be able to keep the club below your hands into the follow-through
Thanks for the replies. I believe I can hit the ball solid while placed left of my left foot. However, I hardly take a divot so I'll have work on that. I think I just need to dedicate a thousand balls and just hit those Flipper video chip shots all day.
I tend to hit it fat when I'm doing the "Flipper" drill (half turn chip shot). Is this just part of the learning curve?
I tend to hit it fat when I'm doing the "Flipper" drill (half turn chip shot). Is this just part of the learning curve?
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Do you read this forum when you're here?
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Leek,
I just read on the latest Golf magazine to look like 6 inches ahead of the ball instead of the ball on the downswing. Is this a good advice to rid of the fat shots on the 'flipper' chip shot drills?
Also, could a bad pivot cause it to hit fat as well and not just an aiming issue? Since there is no flip, then I'm guessing I'm just not getting my right shoulder down enough the plane, ya?
Thanks!
Jay
I just read on the latest Golf magazine to look like 6 inches ahead of the ball instead of the ball on the downswing. Is this a good advice to rid of the fat shots on the 'flipper' chip shot drills?
Also, could a bad pivot cause it to hit fat as well and not just an aiming issue? Since there is no flip, then I'm guessing I'm just not getting my right shoulder down enough the plane, ya?
Thanks!
Jay
like Brian shows in 'flipper' if you really want to learn to not flip, place the ball OUTSIDE your left foot, and try to make ball-divot contact
Dariusz J.
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Yes, I try to read all posts on a constant basis and and enrich my golf swing kowledge...why do you ask ?
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