Timing - what does it mean?

[tongzilla]

What does it mean when someone says one swing is less dependent on timing compared to another?

Here's one possible interpretation:

"each swing that brings the clubface square to the swing arc earlier than in impact zone is less timing&tempo-dependent".

What do you guys think? Could there by other definitions?

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

I feel, the more on plane you are, the easier it is to square the face because you haven't opened it too much and you won't have to close it too much, thus it doesn't involve any timing from your conscious.

Stay on plane and you don't worry about it imo

 

[Kevin Shields]

What does it mean when someone says one swing is less dependent on timing compared to another?

Here's one possible interpretation:

"each swing that brings the clubface square to the swing arc earlier than in impact zone is less timing&tempo-dependent".

What do you guys think? Could there by other definitions?

This was certainly the case in my situation. Couldn't agree more.

 

[rprevost]

If you are off-plane, then you will have to manipulate the club to get it back to the ball. As I see it, it is the need for manipulation that raises the issue of timing. You have to compensate enormously to get the clubface square and the clubhead moving in the right direction. You have a lot more to do and more to coordinate. That is timing, or at least part of it. When I was flipping at my worst, I would occasionally hit a ball straight and long. On that particular swing, my timing was good. On most of my swings, my timing was off; hence, hooks, slices, pull hooks, push slices, fat, thin, you name it.

 

[Brian Manzella]

Timing and SAVING.

Every golf swing is a REACTION to the last swing the golfer made.

If you hit balls into a net, trying for solid contact untiul you got in a groove, and then removed the net, where would the ball go?

If the answer is "somewhere besides the target," then the golfer nneds to make some sort of LAST DITCH EFFORT to "save" the swing from producing the "somewhere besides the target" result and make the ball do something else more desirable.

Calling this correction timing is wrong, in my opinion.

What it is, is poor mechanics living on a prayer.

Timing is "Right Foot, BACKSWING—Left Foot IMPACT," the "And One, And Two, BANG!" of a well sequenced golf swing.

 

[Dariusz J.]

"each swing that brings the clubface square to the swing arc earlier than in impact zone is less timing&tempo-dependent".

This is exactly what I wrote in one of previous threads. Of course, I believe in it 200%.
And, please, do not try to find a second bottom in it. What this sentence says is just exactly in this sentence. Avoiding crossover (sideway motions) and flipping (vertical motions) in the impact zone = less timing issues. It's just that true and that simple.

Of course, avoiding crossover or flipping at impact is conditioned by biomechanically adequate swing motions...that's why I am so eager to see this pattern (late Hogan) in the Matrix and compare it to other patterns that Brian is going to include in his Matrix.

Cheers

 

[Brian Manzella]

I just HATE it when...

Someone TOTALLY ignores a VERY IMPORTANT post of mine.

Ah, well...

 

[Dariusz J.]

Someone TOTALLY ignores a VERY IMPORTANT post of mine.

Ah, well...

I apologize, Brian. I saw you edited my post and I now am aware what Forum rule I broke. Although I always write fast and what my heart dictates I will try to be more careful in the future.

Cheers

 

[pecky987]

timing

i believe timing, in my opinion, is how your left hip clears and moves away fromm the ball, as the arms are swinging past the body. if the arms swing too fast and the hip doesnt clear fast enough, then you either flip the club or snap the club over and hook the ball. or, the hips move too fast and the arms cannot keep up, the arms are blocked off and swing inside-out and block/push it. this usually happens with better players, and if they time it correctly, they usually get their desired push-draw

 

[self-mastery]

What happened to all the OPS players on tour? I have yet to see any Hogan like performances from any of the Hardy boys.

Brian are you going to chart the (pre-accident not crippled) 'real' Hogan in your Matrix?

I don't think that the golf swing requires timing like other sports. Our ball is static... Ball position has an influence on what time your club face impacts the ball, but in a mechanically solid swing timing is never an issue.

 

[Leek]

Every golf swing is a REACTION to the last swing the golfer made.

If you hit balls into a net, trying for solid contact untiul you got in a groove, and then removed the net, where would the ball go?

If the answer is "somewhere besides the target," then the golfer nneds to make some sort of LAST DITCH EFFORT to "save" the swing from producing the "somewhere besides the target" result and make the ball do something else more desirable.

Calling this correction timing is wrong, in my opinion.

What it is, is poor mechanics living on a prayer.

Timing is "Right Foot, BACKSWING—Left Foot IMPACT," the "And One, And Two, BANG!" of a well sequenced golf swing.

Sounds familiar Brian. By the way, your discussion of this in our lesson last week wasn't lost on me. I was just trying to process the other stuff.

I am working on this in the prescribed manner you demonstrated. Right now, trying to incorporate all the changes from that lesson has me hitting the ball like ....well you know.

I alos understand you were loading me up for the winter, based on my employment conversation.

Guys- Brian seems to have discovered something very important, yet elegantly simple. Don't gloss over it.

 

[tank]

Questions

Every golf swing is a REACTION to the last swing the golfer made.

If you hit balls into a net, trying for solid contact untiul you got in a groove, and then removed the net, where would the ball go?

If the answer is "somewhere besides the target," then the golfer nneds to make some sort of LAST DITCH EFFORT to "save" the swing from producing the "somewhere besides the target" result and make the ball do something else more desirable.

Calling this correction timing is wrong, in my opinion.

What it is, is poor mechanics living on a prayer.

Timing is "Right Foot, BACKSWING—Left Foot IMPACT," the "And One, And Two, BANG!" of a well sequenced golf swing.

That is a very eye opening description of timing.

My questions:
1. Is Timing the same thing as tempo.
2. Is timing and technique a symbiotic relationship that is necessary to produce good shots?
3. Or ... Does good timing result in better mechanics.
4. Or ... Do good mechanics produce good timing.

 

[birdie_man]

GOOD POST BRIAN.

Ya I hate it when people tell me to just focus on tempo as if that is all you will ever need and as if that's all that separates us from the pros. (I hear someone saying "Baaaaaloney!")

I can see it as a thought for EXECUTING a shot (myself- I have other things that I'd rather going on in my noggin)................but otherwise.....band-aiiiiiiiid.

 

[puttmad]

That is a very eye opening description of timing.

My questions:
1. Is Timing the same thing as tempo.
2. Is timing and technique a symbiotic relationship that is necessary to produce good shots?
3. Or ... Does good timing result in better mechanics.
4. Or ... Do good mechanics produce good timing.

Answer to 1) No..tempo is the relationship of the backswing speed to the forward swing speed.. Timing is something different.. (Hint: it's to do with contacting the ball on the sweet spot of the clubface, with the clubface aiming in the right direction and angled at the correct trajectory)...
2) You shouldn't really need to ask this question....
3) Or that one...
4) No...

 

[tank]

Answer to 1) No..tempo is the relationship of the backswing speed to the forward swing speed.. Timing is something different.. (Hint: it's to do with contacting the ball on the sweet spot of the clubface, with the clubface aiming in the right direction and angled at the correct trajectory)...
2) You shouldn't really need to ask this question....
3) Or that one...
4) No...

Thanks puttmad. That makes good sense.