toe weighting in driver vs. putter

[bryan@nobackswing.com]

i had a question about toe weighting in drivers vs toe weighting in putters. from what i can gather, when fitting a driver, more weight in the toe means the toe will be harder to bring around and square up, leading to a club with a fade bias. but with putters, i always hear toe-weight as something that makes the toe come through faster, thus helping with square-up and release of the putterhead. what gives? am i missing something?

 

[jenhaoyen]

all i know is, the new taylormade drive sucks. I tried so many shafts so many different weights, nothing like the titleist d3 driver.

This comes from a taylormade loyal guy

 

[Jwat]

i had a question about toe weighting in drivers vs toe weighting in putters. from what i can gather, when fitting a driver, more weight in the toe means the toe will be harder to bring around and square up, leading to a club with a fade bias. but with putters, i always hear toe-weight as something that makes the toe come through faster, thus helping with square-up and release of the putterhead. what gives? am i missing something?

I believe the more weight in the toe, the less rate of closure and vice versa.

 

[mgranato]

You are correct. More weight in the toe of the putter causes the toe to lag behind the heel, not the other way around. Toe hang (heavy) does not help with rotation/squaring, it retards it.

However, the amount of torque required to "overcome" the toe lagging face angle is pretty small, but it is still there. Nothing in the design of that type putter "helps" with squaring the face.

 

[Virtuoso]

Toe weighting on drivers does nothing to affect closure rate. The cg shift toward the toe manipulates gear effect for a given hit location on the face.

Toe weighting on putters has to do with head cg offset to shaft axis; does very little if anything to affect closure rate.

 

[magicmarker]

interesting, can you go into more detail...

 

[Virtuoso]

interesting, can you go into more detail...

I assume you mean more detail on the driver "toe-weighting."

If the driver cg is center, and you catch it on the heel, the head rotates like a merry-go-round to the left and spins the ball to the right; the ball fades. If you move the cg toe-ward, and catch the ball in the center, you are still really hitting it on the heel, thus, again, fade spin. So, the portion of the effective hitting area that would be considered a heel hit is larger and statistically more likely.

Your next question: But, if you move the cg toe-ward aren't you moving the sweet spot, and as such, won't you lose ball speed on a center hit? Yes, a tiny bit.

And the question after that: But, if my hit location follows the cg, will I retain the ball speed and nullify any "toe-weighting" or "internal cg shift fade bias?" Yes.

 

[magicmarker]

Thanks, that makes far more sense than the concept of it affecting the closure rate.