Tomasello's throwing the club down w/right forearm

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Tomasello's "throwing the club down with the right forearm" sounds alot like Croker's "uncocking under" - a feel that doesn't actually occur!!

Golf Illustrated: If the hands aren't doing anything, then what's swinging the club?

Tomasello: Here we get into the terminology that scares people. You swing the club via two "divergent force vectors." This simply means that two different forces are being combined. One force is moving the club upward and downward. A second force is moving the club outward, away from you. The upward and downward force is provided by a straight-up folding and unfolding of the right forearm from its address position. You simply fold your right arm at the elbow to swing the club up. From there, you try to throw the clubhead into the ground by unfolding your right arm. The outward or horizontal force comes from the pivoting of the hips to the right rear on the backswing and the left rear on the downswing. This horizontal force throws the clubhead out away from you, on a horizontal plane. On the downswing, when you combine these two "divergent force vectors," the result is the movement of the club on the correct plane.

Golf Illustrated: This "throwing the club down" with the right forearm--doesn't that go against everything we've been taught about the downswing.

Tomasello: Yes. The delayed hit is merely keeping the right wrist bent through impact. All that stuff about leading the downswing with a lateral move of the lower body, driving the hips and legs toward the target to retain power--it's all terribly wrong! It seems to be what's happening, but it's not really what happens in the most efficient, centrifugal-force golf swing. The reality that most people can't comprehend is that in the centrifugal force swing there is no forward motion by any part of the body. There are just the two "force vectors" I've described.
 

rwh

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quote:Originally posted by mclare

Tomasello's "throwing the club down with the right forearm" sounds alot like Croker's "uncocking under" - a feel that doesn't actually occur!!

Golf Illustrated: If the hands aren't doing anything, then what's swinging the club?

Tomasello: Here we get into the terminology that scares people. You swing the club via two "divergent force vectors." This simply means that two different forces are being combined. One force is moving the club upward and downward. A second force is moving the club outward, away from you. The upward and downward force is provided by a straight-up folding and unfolding of the right forearm from its address position. You simply fold your right arm at the elbow to swing the club up. From there, you try to throw the clubhead into the ground by unfolding your right arm. The outward or horizontal force comes from the pivoting of the hips to the right rear on the backswing and the left rear on the downswing. This horizontal force throws the clubhead out away from you, on a horizontal plane. On the downswing, when you combine these two "divergent force vectors," the result is the movement of the club on the correct plane.

Golf Illustrated: This "throwing the club down" with the right forearm--doesn't that go against everything we've been taught about the downswing.

Tomasello: Yes. The delayed hit is merely keeping the right wrist bent through impact. All that stuff about leading the downswing with a lateral move of the lower body, driving the hips and legs toward the target to retain power--it's all terribly wrong! It seems to be what's happening, but it's not really what happens in the most efficient, centrifugal-force golf swing. The reality that most people can't comprehend is that in the centrifugal force swing there is no forward motion by any part of the body. There are just the two "force vectors" I've described.

Delaware Golf on the Chuck Evans and The Golfing Machine forums is a former Tomasello student and is quite knowledgeable about the "right arm swing". You might check over there for his posts.
 
I appreciate you taking the time to post Tommy's words. john Dunigan was ther first pro who turned this same light on in my head, albeit with different language. I like to envision that I am casting a zebco 33 while in my golf stance, where I take the zebco to the top and I want to throw the lure straight down my toe line in the opposite direction of the target, that being rearward.
 

cdog

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I think it's a matter of interpetation.
If in our backswing the weight or pressure is moved to the rear, then on our start down, the weight is moved to the front, the lead hip moves target wise parallel to the target line, correct?
Also for proper rotation, we rotate around 1 post, the ball and socket of the leg and hip, and our weight must be on that post the time we rotate, again, how can you have the weight on that post without moving it there?
 

EdZ

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A good drill for is..... hold an 8 iron on the steel with the right hand only, keeping the grip against the inside of the right forearm and swing the arm back and forth as if tossing a ball underhanded - keeping the shaft against the inside of the forearm the entire time - just swing above the ground to get the feel.

Next - bend the right wrist straight back - in line/plane with the shaft - and keep that angle - do the same, swing back and forth in the air, keeping the angle and the shaft relationship (the right hand wedge).

Next - hit short chips, right hand only - as if tossing a ball underhand - keeping that angle and the shaft/forearm relationship, driving the right palm to a 45 degree angle with the ground (both arms straight position)
 
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