Too much tilt?

[Bigwill]

For the instructors here:

How often do you come across either too much axis tilt, or a right shoulder moving toward impact underplane?

What are some of the problems associated with this?

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

This is what happens to hookers. They swing too far to the right and they hook it. So they try and tilt more and move the right shoulder even further downplane to start the ball MORE RIGHT.

Kind of like like slicers who come so over it and swing too far left cuz they are trying to start the ball MORE LEFT.

 

[Bigwill]

So an on-plane right shoulder (on the downswing) would feel a little more out than down, because they're so used to being underplane?

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

So an on-plane right shoulder (on the downswing) would feel a little more out than down, because they're so used to being underplane?

Bingo, might feel completely off plane.

A lot of my students have off plane backswings that are too flat. I really need to get off my arse and write the article about it that i have been talking about.

Anyway, when i get them where they need to be (the turned shoulder plane) i get the same reaction from each of them:

"THAT CAN'T BE RIGHT!?"

Good thing i have my trusty camera phone to show them how perfect it looks and not "too upright."

Little changes to the swing when you've been doing it ONE WAY for so long are going to feel DRASTICALLY DIFFERENT.

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Personal story:

When i finally fixed my setup/right shoulder issue in Orlando last year Tom Bartlett (YOU DA MAN!) bent me over like a REAL golfer and I was like, "THIS CAN'T BE RIGHT." Well he was right and my game hasn't suffered since.

 

[Bill Miracle]

I, for one,

would appreciate reading that aritcle.

 

[Bigwill]

would appreciate reading that aritcle.

Ditto.

 

[Bigwill]

Bingo, might feel completely off plane.

A lot of my students have off plane backswings that are too flat. I really need to get off my arse and write the article about it that i have been talking about.

Anyway, when i get them where they need to be (the turned shoulder plane) i get the same reaction from each of them:

"THAT CAN'T BE RIGHT!?"

Good thing i have my trusty camera phone to show them how perfect it looks and not "too upright."

Little changes to the swing when you've been doing it ONE WAY for so long are going to feel DRASTICALLY DIFFERENT.

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Personal story:

When i finally fixed my setup/right shoulder issue in Orlando last year Tom Bartlett (YOU DA MAN!) bent me over like a REAL golfer and I was like, "THIS CAN'T BE RIGHT." Well he was right and my game hasn't suffered since.

I suppose that's why you need a trained eye, as opposed to relying on your own "feels". Thanks Jim.

 

[jbrunk]

Bingo, might feel completely off plane.

A lot of my students have off plane backswings that are too flat. I really need to get off my arse and write the article about it that i have been talking about.

Anyway, when i get them where they need to be (the turned shoulder plane) i get the same reaction from each of them:

"THAT CAN'T BE RIGHT!?"

Good thing i have my trusty camera phone to show them how perfect it looks and not "too upright."

Little changes to the swing when you've been doing it ONE WAY for so long are going to feel DRASTICALLY DIFFERENT.

----------------------

Personal story:

When i finally fixed my setup/right shoulder issue in Orlando last year Tom Bartlett (YOU DA MAN!) bent me over like a REAL golfer and I was like, "THIS CAN'T BE RIGHT." Well he was right and my game hasn't suffered since.

And getting on that more upright plane is a Never Hook Again pattern? No?

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

And getting on that more upright plane is a Never Hook Again pattern? No?

No, not necessarily. Never Hook Again is a pattern designed for people who swing too far to the right and tilt too much.

Of all my lessons i have only given 1 student the NHA type pattern and to be honest he didn't even need it cuz he was A SLICER! BUT with the idea of up the wall, down the wall, left of the wall it is what helped him hit it better and that's the only thing i'm concerned with.