Too steep with NHA?

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Any of you guys get too steep coming down with NHA? I've been having good success with SD but I can't get the hooks out. I've decided to give NHA a shot. I've had the movie for years but never really needed it. Anywho, anyone get too steep coming down and how did you correct it? Thanks

-Curtis
 
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thefuture37

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this brings up a question about the Manzella Matrix. how long should one fight a particular pattern(i.e. hitting hooks with soft draw) before they switch to the opposing pattern to try to fix it?
 
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Jim Kobylinski

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IMO if you are hooking soft draw you are doug it wrong. That's why its called "soft" draw. Now can you hook it on occasion? Sure but if it happens often, you arent "doing it right."
 
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Jim Kobylinski said:
IMO if you are hooking soft draw you are doug it wrong. That's why its called "soft" draw. Now can you hook it on occasion? Sure but if it happens often, you arent "doing it right."
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I understand I'm doing something wrong but I don't know what and I don't know how to fix it. Family of 4 here with my wife being the only provider as I'm back in school. And to top that off she's not even full-time, more like three quarters. If I had the money I would see Brian in a HEARTBEAT, wouldn't even have to think about it.

Since I don't know how to fix it I thought I would try another pattern. Soft Fade isn't out yet so I thought I would try NHA. I LOVE hitting a nice big draw but I'm getting sick of punching out under trees on the left. Not only that but when I hook it the ball only goes about 220. It's hard to judge WTH I'm going to do off the tee. I can hit a 220 yard hook, a 260 yard draw, a 280 yard draw, or a 270 yard push.
 
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Jim Kobylinski

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I didn't mean to sound "mean." You need to isolate what your main issue is:

1) Clubface
2) Path control
3) Slight combo of both

With the misses you are stating it sounds like it's more 1). Because you could have similar path with varying degrees of clubface at impact and hit both left and right.

My assumption without seeing your swing is that you have a tendency to go under plane on the downswing and when you couple that with a clubface that can vary a lot, you will get those types of misses.

Try continuing with the soft draw with these slight adjustments:

1) take it back a little less inside
2) take it back a little more up

Not quite the NHA backswing but something that isn't as inside/low as the soft draw backswing. Try to be a little more out/up and see what happens.
 
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That's kind of what I've been doing. In a post I made a few days ago I called it my "hybrid" swing. Little SD and a little NHA.

PS I'm still playing the best ever. When I get this figured out it's going to be REALLY fun. Just shot a 42 and it could have be a lot better. Had an 8 which was the result of a hook that went into a hazard.
 
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Brian Manzella

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curtisj76 said:
That's kind of what I've been doing. In a post I made a few days ago I called it my "hybrid" swing. Little SD and a little NHA.

PS I'm still playing the best ever. When I get this figured out it's going to be REALLY fun. Just shot a 42 and it could have be a lot better. Had an 8 which was the result of a hook that went into a hazard.
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If you use the SOFT DRAW 1.0 backswing, and the NEVER HOOK AGAIN downswing, you will hit it very straight. The trick is the transition.

Some will do better with the NHA "carry & drop," and some with the SD1 "fall & add."
 
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Bigwill

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Brian Manzella said:
If you use the SOFT FADE 1.0 backswing, and the NEVER HOOK AGAIN downswing, you will hit it very straight. The trick is the transition.

Some will do better with the NHA "carry & drop," and some with the SD1 "fall & add."
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In an earlier post, you said something about a straight ball needing a plane line that is left enough. So that got me to thinking, is a straight ball more like a little tiny fade swing, or a little tiny draw swing?
 
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Brian Manzella

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Cleared up?

Transitions:

Never Hook Again*— "Carry & Drop"

The hands stay at the top as the unwind of the pivot begins (the "carry").
Then the whole Power Package (arms, hands and club unit) is dropped to the ground (the "drop").


Soft Draw — "Fall & Add"

This is the "Hogan Move" of falling left with the hips, before the top of the backswing is even reached, or right at the end (the "fall), while sometimes even increasing the amount if hip TURN in the process. The Power Package moves less out and more down.


Cool?
 
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Brian Manzella said:
If you use the SOFT DRAW 1.0 backswing, and the NEVER HOOK AGAIN downswing, you will hit it very straight. The trick is the transition.

Some will do better with the NHA "carry & drop," and some with the SD1 "fall & add."
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Ok, I'm gonna give this a try at the range today. Haven't gone all year so why not. Question, how should I setup on this type of shot? Thanks
 
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niblick1

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Brian Manzella said:
Transitions:

Never Hook Again*— "Carry & Drop"

The hands stay at the top as the unwind of the pivot begins (the "carry").
Then the whole Power Package (arms, hands and club unit) is dropped to the ground (the "drop").


Soft Draw — "Fall & Add"

This is the "Hogan Move" of falling left with the hips, before the top of the backswing is even reached, or right at the end (the "fall), while sometimes even increasing the amount if hip TURN in the process. The Power Package moves less out and more down.


Cool?
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Very cool.

I can do a NHA carry and drop with my pre-SD backswing (with plane line too far left), but the ball just doesn't go far enough to play it.

Does the Soft Fade show how to make the right arm addition without closing the face to much to hit a fade. Is that hard to do and the reason you don't often teach Soft Fade? Or just that most people don't have the distance to play Soft Fade and don't need to stop balls on PGA Tour-like greens?
 
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Brian Manzella

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I teach soft fade to lots of good players....

The Soft Fade 1 pattern "per se" has been around "Manzella-Land" for a while.

I have been testing details of it before it reaches commercial, so to speak.
 
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Jared Willerson

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Soft fade works for me......similar to SD in a lot of ways, but there are a couple of different SF patterns, so another SF pattern may not be as similar.

One thing don't change and that is the No Pop Out backswing.
 
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