Trackman data for short game shots?

[mjstrong]

Has (Brian) anyone been able to gather some Trackman data for various short game shots? I think it'd be pretty interesting to see exactly how some of the world's best players hit their flop shots, pitches, various bunker lies, etc. I'd be interested to see a few key areas: Angle of attack, clubface angle, (off?)center contact.

 

[cjgolf]

try there website

i am sure I have seen info there

 

[mjstrong]

try there website

i am sure I have seen info there

Their website search returns a few results, but then the page has no such info. Oh well, I can wait.

 

[Kevin Shields]

All I know is i cant wait to get some numbers regarding my standard pitch shot. Also, I think it would show just how much left guys swing on alot of greenside shots.

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

I haven't on a trackman but i have done testing on some Vector's (before i was able to play with a trackman) and did some spin testing with different wedges as well as different shots.

Ask away and if i have the answer, i will answer and if i don't i won't lol

 

[Richie3Jack]

Check it out.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AByIsEL_XkY[/media]





3JACK

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

Oh to be rich and have BOTH a trackman AND enough REAL balls to make that approach test worth it.

 

[mjstrong]

I haven't on a trackman but i have done testing on some Vector's (before i was able to play with a trackman) and did some spin testing with different wedges as well as different shots.

Ask away and if i have the answer, i will answer and if i don't i won't lol

What would the most shaft leanback (in a flop shot) at impact a player could consistently get away with and still hit shots clean?

 

[Kevin Shields]

Depends on the lie.

 

[mjstrong]

Depends on the lie.

Tight.

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

What would the most shaft leanback (in a flop shot) at impact a player could consistently get away with and still hit shots clean?

Thats a good question, as Kevin said it would depend on the lie as well as the bounce angle of the wedge you are using and the firmness of the ground.

 

[mjstrong]

How about these?

Thats a good question, as Kevin said it would depend on the lie as well as the bounce angle of the wedge you are using and the firmness of the ground.

A couple of scenarios then?

1) Tight lie, low bounce lob wedge.

2) Standard fairway lie (think regular muni fairways) and a 14 degree bounce sand wedge.

Now, correct me if I'm wrong (on here, somebody always will ), but trackman doesn't actually measure shaft lean, just the attack angle. of the clubhead. So, there could be a slight variance between the two.

 

[jmessner]

I haven't on a trackman but i have done testing on some Vector's (before i was able to play with a trackman) and did some spin testing with different wedges as well as different shots.

Ask away and if i have the answer, i will answer and if i don't i won't lol

Jim,

There's some debate about whether a more downward attack at the ball would generate more spin. Did you do any short game testing with an exaggerated downward attack vs something more neutral. I'd be interested in the results. Also, any trials off hardpan vs fluffy lie?

Jay

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

Jim,

There's some debate about whether a more downward attack at the ball would generate more spin. Did you do any short game testing with an exaggerated downward attack vs something more neutral. I'd be interested in the results. Also, any trials off hardpan vs fluffy lie?

Jay

A more downward attack did create more spin that say a more picking motion with an open face; however it also created a lot more ball speed. So you need to know when to play that shot.

Also i learned that stopping the ball has a lot more to do with the descending angle of the ball than just the spin on it alone. For instance i'd rather hit a less spinning shot goes higher because i know that 1) it will stop faster because of the descending angle into the green and it won't spin off the green like a top because it isn't spinning as much.

However maybe you want to skip the ball up a green and you hit it more "down" so you get a bunch more spin but it takes a few skips before it grabs; again because it has more ball speed but when it does check it usually checks hard.

No experience with fluffy or tight lies "data" wise but generally, all things being equal, the tighter lie will spin more and fly lower than the fluffy lie.

 

[ballaholic]

Resurrecting a really old thread... does anybody have data from Trackman on some stock short game shots? Would be interested in seeing some numbers for short pitches, high vs. low running, flops, etc...

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

Knowing what i know now and re-reading my response, i know that hitting down didn't create the extra spin...the extra spin came from the extra ballspeed from delofting it more.

 

[GeoffDickson]

Mgranato came up with the goods in this thread last year:

http://www.brianmanzella.com/golfing-discussions/17847-how-much-spin-loft-create-tour-spin.html