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Fades, which curve from left to right for a right-handed player, are easier to control than draws, which curve in the opposite direction, because the ball doesn’t stay on the clubface as long and thus has less internal spin, he said.

Is that true?
 

Jim Kobylinski

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Probably his own "verbage." Essentially fades are easier to control than draws because they spin more and go more "up" than they do "right" versus a hard draw that will go more left than it does up. However these days you can setup a fade driver to launch and spin just like a draw so there is no advantage one way or the other if both drivers are setup identical.
 
What about his comments on mid body hands and a weak grip? Isn't that the opposite of what most people are teaching here?
 

Brian Manzella

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What about his comments on mid body hands and a weak grip? Isn't that the opposite of what most people are teaching here?

For the 100,000th time, we use Neutral Grips—in general—to teach slicers how to keep the clubface from getting too open, and the proper way to rotate it closed.

Lets try the GRIPS in the following patterns....

Never Slice Again - Neutral (Fairly weak)
Baby Fade - Fairly Strong
Pattern #13 - Neutral in the short clubs, Fairly Strong in the longer ones
Do It Right - Slightly Stronger than Neutral
Soft Draw - Medium Strong
Never Hook Again - Neutral

As far as "mid body hands"....I'll settle for this any day:
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As far as "mid body hands"....I'll settle for this any day:
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Interesting picture considering he said this in the article...


The other central element to Mr. Trevino’s fade is setting the hands well forward at address. “When I look down with my right eye, I want my hands to be hiding my left shoe,” he said. He likes this position because it approximates the position at impact. “When people set up with their hands in the middle, and then make impact with their hands in front, the clubface turns open. So the ball starts out to the right and then keeps going further right.”

This, Mr. Trevino said, is why Mr. Woods loses so many shots. “When he misses fairways, it’s usually to the right. The way he sets up, with his grip too weak and his hands in the middle, that’s going to happen.”

Now I've only been on these forums for a couple of months so I haven't been privy to all of the 99,999 replies to my simplistic questions but why would I want mid body hands versus forward leaning hands? Grip I could care less about because of my lesson with you I've already learned I can hit any shot out of any grip but the reasoning for mid body hands I don't fully understand yet.
 
Brian has a great video on YouTube called something like Mid-Body vs. Forward Hands. Explains everything.

Also, with Lee, you have to keep in mind his super-open stance. That can change the normal perspective of hand and ball position.
 
Interesting picture considering he said this in the article...


The other central element to Mr. Trevino’s fade is setting the hands well forward at address. “When I look down with my right eye, I want my hands to be hiding my left shoe,” he said. He likes this position because it approximates the position at impact. “When people set up with their hands in the middle, and then make impact with their hands in front, the clubface turns open. So the ball starts out to the right and then keeps going further right.”

This, Mr. Trevino said, is why Mr. Woods loses so many shots. “When he misses fairways, it’s usually to the right. The way he sets up, with his grip too weak and his hands in the middle, that’s going to happen.”

Now I've only been on these forums for a couple of months so I haven't been privy to all of the 99,999 replies to my simplistic questions but why would I want mid body hands versus forward leaning hands? Grip I could care less about because of my lesson with you I've already learned I can hit any shot out of any grip but the reasoning for mid body hands I don't fully understand yet.

To me, it seems that with more forward hands, the more likely you are to over-rotate the left arm "wedge" going back. Mid-body hands help prevent this, in my opinion. In a thread a long time ago, Jim Kobilynski said that more forward hands promote a lower top position for your hands, and more mid-body promote a higher one.

If I'm remembering anything wrong, correct me.
 
seems to me that most golfers (hackers and hall of famers alike) think they are doing one thing, whereas video, science, etc. shows that they are not.
 
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