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OLIVER1

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I have a quick question about tugging/pulling.
Is there ANY stage in the downswing where it won't ruin the action. Is any of it benign, or should it all be swept away?
Since the release information and its offshoots came about, I feel like I'm exorcising myself of ALL the tugging demons.
Is the baby flying out with the bath water here?
Thanks for your time.
 
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Kevin made a great post a while back about how instead of a stretched, tugged transition and a slacked, flippy impact you want a slacky, no tug transition with a stretched tight impact. Or something like that. His post might be in the Alex Noren no-tug drill thread.
 
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hrely

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From my understanding (and painful experience) any time you start to tug the club face tends to open.
I believe you can get away with a little bit if your grip is strong enough but I think it's much better to eliminate tugging altogether.
 
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OLIVER1 said:
I have a quick question about tugging/pulling.
Is there ANY stage in the downswing where it won't ruin the action. Is any of it benign, or should it all be swept away?
Since the release information and its offshoots came about, I feel like I'm exorcising myself of ALL the tugging demons.
Is the baby flying out with the bath water here?
Thanks for your time.
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Oliver,

It won't ruin the whole if it stays with the whole.
If it leaves the whole motion early it disconnects and runs away.
Then you may find yourself chasing your arms down the fairway.
 
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Kevin Shields

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Oliver, I agree with Matt.

Tugging, for one, isn't a constant pull, it's a quick, over accelerated "tug". Moving the club tangentially in the early downswing is pulling, then going normal has massive pulling. Just not tugging:)

Tugging is almost always a target ward or toward the ball over accelerated spasm.
 
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Kevin Shields said:
Oliver, I agree with Matt.

Tugging, for one, isn't a constant pull, it's a quick, over accelerated "tug". Moving the club tangentially in the early downswing is pulling, then going normal has massive pulling. Just not tugging:)

Tugging is almost always a target ward or toward the ball over accelerated spasm.
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great description there. Does tugging lead to being under plane? What other problems does it cause?
 
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Kevin Shields

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Not to blow it off, but it's been described ad nauseum here. I would think a search would pull up a lot of good stuff for you. But under plane is definitely one of them.
 
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OLIVER1

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Matt Bryda said:
Oliver,

If it leaves the whole motion early it disconnects and runs away.
Then you may find yourself chasing your arms down the fairway.
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MATT: Thanks for that. So very trenchant, and expressed poetically to boot. Really love the imagery it conjures up. I flatter myself to think that verse two might be in the offing?
KEVIN: Thanks for your response. It was tip...top. just I'm not sure 'bout the colour...
NATEP: I looked at Kevin's original quote and it does sum up how the feelings at the top and at transition have kind of flipped, given the new information flooding out of this site. Very interesting.

As far as I can tell, it is critically important, as Kevin pointed out, to make the distinction between pulling and tugging. I feel that if I don't pull from the top then I've dodged the bullet, but then a whole new volley of fire is waiting to greet me if I have the "over-accelerated spasm" (love that term!) nearing impact. I'm to the point where I'm trying to keep my left side still and allow my right side to run into it, so to speak, to provide the impetus for the jump.
Thanks once again for answering...Always much appreciated and another example of why this place is the BEST!!
 
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OLIVER1 said:
As far as I can tell, it is critically important, as Kevin pointed out, to make the distinction between pulling and tugging.
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Oliver, if it helps, I learnt from my student days that if you aren't pulling then sooner or later you'll be tugging :)
 
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OLIVER1

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leon said:
Oliver, if it helps, I learnt from my student days that if you aren't pulling then sooner or later you'll be tugging :)
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Leon,
As far as I'm concerned, it's gonna take a good 'un to beat that post...Absolutely hilarious. (And, if truth were told, a little too near to home for comfort!!:()
 
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OLIVER1 said:
Leon,
As far as I'm concerned, it's gonna take a good 'un to beat that post...Absolutely hilarious. (And, if truth were told, a little too near to home for comfort!!:()
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I aim to please (actually, I aim a few yards left of please :) )
 
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jdswets said:
great description there. Does tugging lead to being under plane? What other problems does it cause?
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If not clear on tugging, watch Brian's Vimeo videos from his house - in one (if not more) that I recall he gave a good visual of what it looks like.
 
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WoodbridgeGolf37

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Factors contributing to a tug

All other factors remaining constant: would a longer, across the line backswing predispose a player to tugging in transition?
 
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Brian Manzella

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On our research trip on the 28th & 29th of this month, we are spending a day on 3D and I will post up the animation of the tug vs the no-tug.

Deal?
 
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Tball88

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Kevin, thanks for the direction. and I believe in Brian's research he has always said that there are both pulling and pushing forces. So I have thought that you can still pull, it's just the over acceleration at the start of the downswing that creates a tug and gets you in trouble. I feel my swing is a pull, however,when I'm hitting it well, I almost stop completely at the top of the backswing and try to make a smooth constant pull throughout the swing. If I blast off from the start, bad things happen.
 
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