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ObieTrice5

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I pull/drag the handle on the downswing. My path is very in-to-out and I can hit slinging hooks all day long.

I have been practicing the tumble move and wow it feels different (in a good way).

My question is, how can a person tumble and not come over the top? When I practice this move, I feel like the club is approaching on an outside-to-in path.

Is this the correct feeling? Can I still hit my preferred block draw with this move? It "feels" like pull cuts will be the result.
 
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Kevin Shields

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That feel is the clubhead going outside of your HANDS....which it has to do. It isn't going over the top of the target line or the ball unless you have poor handpath
 
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Kevin Shields said:
That feel is the clubhead going outside of your HANDS....which it has to do. It isn't going over the top of the target line or the ball unless you have poor handpath
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Handpath for me was the key. The tumble was making me come over the top. The reason ... my usual handpath on the downswing was a pop out. Adding a tumble to that pulled my arms even further out. Solution was to keep the hands down and in on the downswing. It felt like I had to follow the same handpath coming down as I had going back.
 
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I seem to hit my best shots lately when I feel like my handpath is basically straight down from the top. Almost into my rear thigh. My guess is that I have somewhat of a too outward hand path which is why the only way I can hit my driver decent is to reverse tumble.

(I just read that again and I am not sure it is saying what I want it to but I cannot find another way to word it)
 
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Jim Kobylinski

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ObieTrice5 said:
I pull/drag the handle on the downswing. My path is very in-to-out and I can hit slinging hooks all day long.

I have been practicing the tumble move and wow it feels different (in a good way).

My question is, how can a person tumble and not come over the top? When I practice this move, I feel like the club is approaching on an outside-to-in path.

Is this the correct feeling? Can I still hit my preferred block draw with this move? It "feels" like pull cuts will be the result.
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People like you who's path is so in/out and usually so shallow; getting your path even just a few degrees in/out with a bit more down will feel VERY OTT "to you." However by doing this you will reduce the amount of push-draw you can hit and also increase your loft a little bit. Keep that in mind as you start messing with your path and spin loft.
 
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ObieTrice5

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Is the tumble swing better for a certain golfer, or is it universal?

I worked on the tumble move today at the range and my results were decent. I missed a lot of shots 7-10 yards left of my target with the shorter irons. My long irons were much better with a tight draw pattern. I did have a few shanks, but it was probably from losing my spine angle more than the move itself. Did anyone else experience similar results?

Eyeoffish, do you bring your handpath down to your side of your rear thigh, or to the front side of your rear thigh?

I "feel" like my right elbow is tucked on my right hip and I try to connect my left elbow to the left hip on the downswing.

Thanks for all the feedback.
 
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ObieTrice5 said:
I did have a few shanks, but it was probably from losing my spine angle more than the move itself. Did anyone else experience similar results?
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I'd suggest making sure to get your hands going in close to your body through impact, but keep the hands and arms moving. I find when I get lazy and don't keep the hands and arms going through impact is when I hit pulls and over draws.
 
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I always think I know what tumble is then seem to not get it.

Is tumble what the arms do if...................

You held the club in front of you baseball style.....with a swingyde gadget attached...if you swung it back to half way and 'set" into the swingyde....with the shaft level to the ground......then swung the arms back across you to a "follow through" type position without the swingyde coming off your left arm.......but the club rolling over to be vertical, then parallel to the ground the other side of the body?


Is this tumble? (without uncocking of the wrist). Just seems like a good drill to feel the tumble motion in isolation from the wrist uncocking....


If I do this a few times, then make a normal swing it feels like a strong "twisting a crowbar" type move and as already mentioned easily shows any "pop out" hand path.....


Makes the right shoulder for me feel high and on top but it is yet strangely hard to start the ball left...
 
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welshdentist said:
I always think I know what tumble is then seem to not get it.

Is tumble what the arms do if...................

You held the club in front of you baseball style.....with a swingyde gadget attached...if you swung it back to half way and 'set" into the swingyde....with the shaft level to the ground......then swung the arms back across you to a "follow through" type position without the swingyde coming off your left arm.......but the club rolling over to be vertical, then parallel to the ground the other side of the body?


Is this tumble? (without uncocking of the wrist). Just seems like a good drill to feel the tumble motion in isolation from the wrist uncocking....


If I do this a few times, then make a normal swing it feels like a strong "twisting a crowbar" type move and as already mentioned easily shows any "pop out" hand path.....


Makes the right shoulder for me feel high and on top but it is yet strangely hard to start the ball left...
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I find an exaggerated split hand grip is a good way to "feeel" and see it. It's getting your left arm vertical and the clubface out to the ball.
 
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welshdentist

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Mike Richardson said:
I find an exaggerated split hand grip is a good way to "feeel" and see it. It's getting your left arm vertical and the clubface out to the ball.
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Thank you, nice drill...

As a former chopper of the ball from what I thought of a "TGM" leading edge chipping and pitching......with just a cock and uncock type motion, if I ever get steep or dig too much I just practice this and soft high bounce chips and pitches result.

Tumble has been so much help to making my short game the level it is...
 
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welshdentist

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Wentworth do..... costly though

I know a clubfitter/pro guy in basingstoke that has one indoor

James Ridyard does....

Whereabouts are you?
 
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Lindsey Newman

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Never forget that the torque that comes from proper vertical hand path coming out of transition, whether through use of the pivot or arm swing, is vital in setting up the tumble.
 
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Mike Richardson

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Lindsey Newman said:
Never forget that the torque that comes from proper vertical hand path coming out of transition, whether through use of the pivot or arm swing, is vital in setting up the tumble.
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As I understand the science behind it, so that you create an angle between the hand path and club path which means speed?
 
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