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Sup guys.
Quick question if anyone could help

I have noticed the pros lower body turn and then looked at some video of my swing. On the downswing there rear end or butt is facing us before they even hit the ball. In my swing my butt is almost the same it was at address.

Could this have something to do with me coming over the top?
 
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Brian Manzella

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pokerlife said:
I have noticed the pros lower body turn and then looked at some video of my swing. On the downswing there rear end or butt is facing us before they even hit the ball. In my swing my butt is almost the same it was at address.

Could this have something to do with me coming over the top?
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Yes it could.

Here is why....

Scenario #1:
If you don't turn enough in the backswing, the arms/hands/& club unit—"The Power Package"—usually will not get inward enough, then on the downswing, the golfer will TRY to "fit it in" to the inside. Often this golfer's lower body won't turn through either.​

Scenario #2:
The golfer' clubface is wide open on the backswing, and/or his left arm flying wedge is too rotated, they will HALT the hips on the downswing to assist them with flipping the clubhead past the hands to try to square up the face.​

Scenario #3:
The golfer has a poor downswing pivot.

From the top, the golfer should slide the hips slightly to the right of the target AND DOWNWARD as they unwind. This will allow the shoulders to go along for the ride & wait to tilt and unwind themselves. From there, the hips move back toward the left foot and open even more, at this point, the golfer can right side bend to add axis tilt.

If the hips aren't open enough, and left enough, the tilt is difficult.

Without axis tilt, the outside of the ball is in play.​
 
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Kevin Shields

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Even though I had this in my head, Im not sure I could type it out like this. These 3 things sometimes are all I see an entire day. Its answers like these that make this place a great site for learning golf.
 
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I think the proper hip action is essential to keep the hands relatively close to the body and the right elbow in the desirable 'bent' condition prior to impact. When the hips are not participating, I think a lot of the angles straighten out early on and this is a big loss of power and consistency.
 
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Brian Manzella said:
Yes it could.

Here is why....

Scenario #1:
If you don't turn enough in the backswing, the arms/hands/& club unit—"The Power Package"—usually will not get inward enough, then on the downswing, the golfer will TRY to "fit it in" to the inside. Often this golfer's lower body won't turn through either.​

Scenario #2:
The golfer' clubface is wide open on the backswing, and/or his left arm flying wedge is too rotated, they will HALT the hips on the downswing to assist them with flipping the clubhead past the hands to try to square up the face.​

Scenario #3:
The golfer has a poor downswing pivot.

From the top, the golfer should slide the hips slightly to the right of the target AND DOWNWARD as they unwind. This will allow the shoulders to go along for the ride & wait to tilt and unwind themselves. From there, the hips move back toward the left foot and open even more, at this point, the golfer can right side bend to add axis tilt.

If the hips aren't open enough, and left enough, the tilt is difficult.

Without axis tilt, the outside of the ball is in play.​
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Brian -

What do you mean that the hips move DOWNWARD?

Erik
 
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alocirga

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Hip slide

Brian and/or Kevin,

Please help me understand the hip move..

I feel that the quality of my pivot day-to-day is the determining factor of how well I am swinging. I think that I have too much of a "TJ Trolio move" in that my hips - or more specifically my right hip - is already sliding to the left before I complete my backswing. When Brian stated that the hips should move to the right initially on the downswing (away from the target) obviously, I was very interested. I just want/need to understand because I think that is what I have been trying to figure out for me personally, for a very long time.
 
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jonnygrouville

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Is there a similar simple sets of scenarios for the opposite; being too far under the plane and swinging too far to the right?

Is it as simple as carefully applying some of the opposite principles? For example, will too much tilt bring more of the inside of the ball into play?
 
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mew09

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alocirga said:
Brian and/or Kevin,

Please help me understand the hip move..

I feel that the quality of my pivot day-to-day is the determining factor of how well I am swinging. I think that I have too much of a "TJ Trolio move" in that my hips - or more specifically my right hip - is already sliding to the left before I complete my backswing. When Brian stated that the hips should move to the right initially on the downswing (away from the target) obviously, I was very interested. I just want/need to understand because I think that is what I have been trying to figure out for me personally, for a very long time.
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To the right of the "target". I interpret this to mean the left hip moves intially towards a direction to the right of the intended target.
 
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Brian Manzella

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Not quite the opposite.

jonnygrouville said:
Is there a similar simple sets of scenarios for the opposite; being too far under the plane and swinging too far to the right?
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Absolutely!

jonnygrouville said:
Is it as simple as carefully applying some of the opposite principles? For example, will too much tilt bring more of the inside of the ball into play?
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Just more around-ward, still with some hip slide, all done AHEAD of the "hit."
 
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rogerdodger

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Pay attention to scenario #2. Until Brian pointed out to me my over rotated left arm flying wedge and open clubface, I had to restrain my hips and pivot as if I did it properly, the clubface would be way open. Now, I can actively pivot as long as my clubface is square and I am not laid off. One thing it took years for me to figure out, if you drive your right shoulder downplane with an open clubface, the golfer will struggle.
 
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alocirga

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RD,

You are correct. I'm 59 but grew up being called a "shut face player". I worked long and hard to get the club in a neutral position by rolling the face open going back. My hip stall may be just a learned habit because of that.

When I'm not hitting it well, I seem to get caught between 2 swing thoughts: 1)trying to get my right shoulder downplane without tilting too much due to more slide than turn (results usually in UP, high left arm block/push) or 2) trying to swing more left without forgetting to tilt (usually steep held open wipe to the right).

I'm guessing my Yellow Brick Road has a few potholes and is in need of repair!
 
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jonnygrouville

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Brian Manzella said:
Absolutely!

Just more around-ward, still with some hip slide, all done AHEAD of the "hit."
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Thanks Brian. Would love to know more if you can spare a minute in your hectic schedule for us under-planers...

Ah yes. The mythical swinging left. I remember a pro (Ryder Cup player back in the day) telling me the most difficult thing about the golf swing was blending the slide and the turn, the lateral and rotational, in the downswing. Interesting...
 
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