Turned Shoulder plane and Practical application

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I am new to the turned shoulder plane concept and have done some searches to read more on it, from a practical application standpoint, would focusing on the "flashlight tracing the target line" be all you really need to do to worry about to have an on plane swing?
 
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Jim Kobylinski

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Short answer, yes.

Learn a flat left wrist
Learn to create/sustain lag pressure
Trace a straight plane line

Do all those above and you'll play some pretty damn good golf
 
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bendet2,

The target line and the plane line are not always the same line. Note Jim's answer -- trace a straight plane line. The plane angle and plane line is what the club is concerned with.
 
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bendet2

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If my golf ball was sitting on a line painted on the ground pointing at my target, and I had the clubhead or butt of the club pointing at that line at all times (except when club is parallel), would that be considered tracing a straight plane line?
 
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bendet2

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jim,

Thanks for the response (and patience with a newbie) I have heard the 3 suggestions you have given many times (they are the Imperatives are they not?)Could you suggest a drill for each of the 3 that could be done at home to get me started on the right track. I have a basement, clubs, mirror, hitting mat, dowels, impact bag, foam practise balls. For example, Flat left wrist - hit dowel into impact bag. Thanks.
 
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nevermind

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^Yes

I am yet to see anyone actually using the turned shoulder plane from start to finish.. is there a down the line clip anywhere of someone actually using the turned shoulder plane? Ted Fort said he is, but going by the swing on dartfish.. I dont see it
 
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quote:Originally posted by bendet2

If my golf ball was sitting on a line painted on the ground pointing at my target, and I had the clubhead or butt of the club pointing at that line at all times (except when club is parallel), would that be considered tracing a straight plane line?
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Yes -- if your target line is the same as the plane line. The plane line doesn't always point at the target line (where you want the ball to go) -- for example, you may stand and swing "open" or "closed" to the target line. So, you always want to swing on your chosen plane line, even if it isn't the target line.
 
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Jim Kobylinski

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quote:Originally posted by nevermind

^Yes

I am yet to see anyone actually using the turned shoulder plane from start to finish.. is there a down the line clip anywhere of someone actually using the turned shoulder plane? Ted Fort said he is, but going by the swing on dartfish.. I dont see it
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David Toms and Ernie Els...
 
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Jim Kobylinski

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quote:Originally posted by bendet2

jim,

Thanks for the response (and patience with a newbie) I have heard the 3 suggestions you have given many times (they are the Imperatives are they not?)Could you suggest a drill for each of the 3 that could be done at home to get me started on the right track. I have a basement, clubs, mirror, hitting mat, dowels, impact bag, foam practise balls. For example, Flat left wrist - hit dowel into impact bag. Thanks.
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Flat Left Wrist</u>

- tac-tic (best option)
- impact bag
- small bendable plastic under a wrist watch (home made tac-tic)
- chip/pitch/punch shots and stopping after follow through to look at your finish. If it is still flat, it was flat at impact. If it isn't, it wasn't.

Trace a Straight Plane Line</u>

- some type of plane laser (i suggest the butch harmon all the time)
- flashlights taped back to back and use a straight line on the ground

Create/Sustain Lag Pressure</u>

- tie a towel around the hosel of the club, swing with it
- swing the club with only your thumbs/forefinger making sure you let the club swing, don't worry about wrist alignments here (This is a brian drill)
- Try to learn the endless belt effect (do a search on lynn's site). Learn to have a constant hand speed and how that creates lag

Hope that helps
 
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quote:Originally posted by bendet2

jim,

Thanks for the response (and patience with a newbie) I have heard the 3 suggestions you have given many times (they are the Imperatives are they not?)Could you suggest a drill for each of the 3 that could be done at home to get me started on the right track. I have a basement, clubs, mirror, hitting mat, dowels, impact bag, foam practise balls. For example, Flat left wrist - hit dowel into impact bag. Thanks.
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Jim, as usual, gives some very solid advice.

I will also add the importance of maintaining your posture. It's very hard to trace the straigh plane line if you swing is out-to-in (this is tantamount to bending the plane line-could be wrong about that).

I had a lesson with Lynn Blake (aka Yoda) and he stressed over and over again that your legs are like anchors. On video I was very steep coming down to the ball and as a result I had to 'stand up.' I did have some clubhead throwaway, but I was able to have some decent compression nonetheless.

Visit redgoat's site and check out the fundamentals section on the TUSH LINE. If you stay on that line, you will find it is MUCH easier to maintain the critical angles and that's easier to trace the straight plane line.
 
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Jim Kobylinski

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quote:Originally posted by Erik_K



Jim, as usual, gives some very solid advice.

I will also add the importance of maintaining your posture.
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True....you can't make a good swing without a good pivot/posture

quote:It's very hard to trace the straigh plane line if you swing is out-to-in (this is tantamount to bending the plane line-could be wrong about that).
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Yup...if your swing is out/in then you aren't tracing a STRAIGHT plane line, you're tracing a BENT plane line, one that is "out to in"
 
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nevermind

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jim, to be using the TSP is it correct that both the hands and sweetpost must be on that plane angle, or just the sweetspot?
 
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Jim Kobylinski

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quote:Originally posted by nevermind

jim, to be using the TSP is it correct that both the hands and sweetpost must be on that plane angle, or just the sweetspot?
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I am not 100% sure...i believe just the speet spot of the club. Let one of our more informed residents answer this one
 
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Jim Kobylinski

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Well in my opinion i belive it is just the sweet spot that follows the turned shoulder plane.

If you go back to the thread in the audio section on the Hardy one plane two plane thread where he showed David Toms pretty much uses the turned shoulder plane and Vijay uses more of an elbow/squared plane you see that the club pretty much follows the turned shoulder plane the entire way up and down.

So i'm going sweetspot only!
 
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