twist away and 6B 1D
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Brian Manzella
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Ed...you always use Extensor Action and the "Never Slice Again" stroke pattern is full-roll HITTING.
I've not seen "Never Slice Again", only "Do it Right". I'd be happy to review it however. I thought we were getting another beta version that included all three, so I wanted to wait until the next version was available.
I do agree that full roll hitting is a good description of the combination of extensor action and twist away. It is also a very good pattern
Has your recent work with Lynn changed your views on that pattern at all? If so, how?
Yes, I think it is an excellent pattern. A very good combination of the physics and geometry of the swing.
Physics says the club, based on its design, will rotate open on the backswing - that it will seek 'in line' with the force/swing/plane unless something is 'done' to it. This is really the reason most people slice, in a nutshell. The club swings open on the backswing, and they don't know, or don't know how, to close it. You can 'allow' rotation (read: fanning of the forearm) or you can 'resist' rotation (read: twist away).
Geometry says that in an ideal application, the sweetspot would stay on plane, and the clubface would stay square to its arc. Twist away does this.
As a general definition, swingers rotate and put physics over geometry, and hitters don't, and put geometry over physics.
Twist away ensures that the club doesn't open much and the 'constant' and 'slight' move of the left forearm to close it that is twist away combines very well with extensor action. It also makes full roll simple to achieve. A smoother, less 'effort' needed way of getting full roll.
Most people would improve dramatically if they just worked on full roll.
Extensor action, among its many benefits, ensures that twist away isn't 'over done'. Of course, the root of any pattern is the grip.
The grip defines a lot of what is and isn't compatable with a given pattern. 10-2-B, combined with twist away, and extensor action, are very powerful in setting and maintaining the wedges, and in maintaining the proper physics, and geometry of the swing.
Brian Manzella
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Whoa Nellie!
Twist away is for all the millions and millions and millions of BENT left wrist-ers out there.
Once you have a flat wrist, just do the never slice again pattern with a regular hitting backswing,
ie. the right wrist BENDS and then the clubface and left wrist TURNS due to the backswing pivot.
The face would NOT look directly away from you at this point it your development.
Twist away is for all the millions and millions and millions of BENT left wrist-ers out there.
Once you have a flat wrist, just do the never slice again pattern with a regular hitting backswing,
ie. the right wrist BENDS and then the clubface and left wrist TURNS due to the backswing pivot.
The face would NOT look directly away from you at this point it your development.
Understood, however this is a Feel vs Real issue. Swinger's feel more rotation than hitters IMO. My personal preference is to use 10-2-B for swinging, and 10-2-D for hitting, because 10-2-D helps limit early rotation and helps me feel the line thrust more easily. 10-2-B on the other hand, helps me feel 'clapping the plane' - the very 'square' feel of the palms to each other, and the plane. Like gripping a ruler.
UK-Hacker:
To answer your question about the left wrist...in swinging, we employ and active left wrist and actually have a backswing swivel (turn) in the start-up and takeaway...the left wrist turns which puts the left palm face down to the plane (not the ground).
In hitting, the left wrist feels like one long swivel to the top. We do not acttively turn the left wrist, however, it is turned by the rotation of the pivot and arms to the top!
Think of it this way...put your left hand on an inclined plane (almost like you were at address (No right hand needed). During the first 6-12" of taking the club back, turn your left wrist/hand face down to that plane and back up to the top...this is the active left wrist of the swinger. For a hitter, start in the same address position...instead of an immediate turn down to the plane with your left hand, take your left arm to the top and notice how the left wrist turns with the rotation of the pivot.
Biggest difference is that swingers actively turn (start-up swivel) with the left wrist while hitters allow the wrist to turn (passively) with the pivot to the top. If the hitter did not allow the left wrist to turn at all, you may end up in quite a funky position!!
FL-John
To answer your question about the left wrist...in swinging, we employ and active left wrist and actually have a backswing swivel (turn) in the start-up and takeaway...the left wrist turns which puts the left palm face down to the plane (not the ground).
In hitting, the left wrist feels like one long swivel to the top. We do not acttively turn the left wrist, however, it is turned by the rotation of the pivot and arms to the top!
Think of it this way...put your left hand on an inclined plane (almost like you were at address (No right hand needed). During the first 6-12" of taking the club back, turn your left wrist/hand face down to that plane and back up to the top...this is the active left wrist of the swinger. For a hitter, start in the same address position...instead of an immediate turn down to the plane with your left hand, take your left arm to the top and notice how the left wrist turns with the rotation of the pivot.
Biggest difference is that swingers actively turn (start-up swivel) with the left wrist while hitters allow the wrist to turn (passively) with the pivot to the top. If the hitter did not allow the left wrist to turn at all, you may end up in quite a funky position!!
FL-John
Twist away is the answer for hitters. I have 100's of before and after pictures on my A-Star to prove it. Most people get off plane and bend their left wrist because of an open face.
I put a hammer on the end of shaft.With hitting there is only one easiest way to bend the rt. wrist to nail it.
Tennis players can't hit a top spin with an open face.
Of every thing I have learned in golf this idea really WORKS. THANK YOU BRIAN _____
I put a hammer on the end of shaft.With hitting there is only one easiest way to bend the rt. wrist to nail it.
Tennis players can't hit a top spin with an open face.
Of every thing I have learned in golf this idea really WORKS. THANK YOU BRIAN _____
Brian Manzella
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Denny...
You are VERY,VERY welcome!
You are VERY,VERY welcome
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