twistaway
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Kevin Shields
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The twistaway is a backswing move, twisting somewhere in the backswing, so long as you reach the top. Holding the twist, or downarching, is the real kicker.
Brian Manzella
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Ah....
The TWISTAWAY is a whole swing move, that can be done in any section of the stroke, or ALL of them.
The TWISTAWAY is a whole swing move, that can be done in any section of the stroke, or ALL of them.
watson08
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Never Slice Again - Really
I picked up the web version of Brian's "Never Slice Again" DVD at the recommendation of others on this forum even though I'm not a slicer per se. Rather, I've been using a timed flip to somewhat inconsistently produce maybe 80-90% straight and draw shots for over a decade. I could get the ball around pretty well and occasionally break 80, but I hit a solid wall and my ball striking did not get any better year after year. Finally, I got frustrated enough this winter to start trying to figure out my problem and find a solution. My search has lead my to Brian's forum and I'd like to think some divne intervention had something to do with that.
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Well, the move that has recently dramatically changed my ball striking is the "twist away" post-impact, or the full "wedding ring up swivel" as Brian refers to it. I've never been able to properly rotate my left forearm through the downswing to get the clubface consistently square (nearly square is more correct) at impact. Now, I think I am finally getting the necessary left forearm rotation by using a flat left wrist at the top (less than a full twist away at this point) and the full wedding ring up swivel to finish. The latter seems to dictate that I hold the flat left wrist from the top all the way through to the finish. Wow! Striking a golf ball has never felt so good! My consistency has gone way, way up and I'm beginning to feel what the ball is going to do based on where I get my left wrist to. What a great feeling to have!
I can't recommend this DVD enough. Also, there is some very good material in the confessions of a former flipper DVD. I liked the web versions of both of these videos so much that I ordered both of the DVDs and am looking forward to getting those also.
I picked up the web version of Brian's "Never Slice Again" DVD at the recommendation of others on this forum even though I'm not a slicer per se. Rather, I've been using a timed flip to somewhat inconsistently produce maybe 80-90% straight and draw shots for over a decade. I could get the ball around pretty well and occasionally break 80, but I hit a solid wall and my ball striking did not get any better year after year. Finally, I got frustrated enough this winter to start trying to figure out my problem and find a solution. My search has lead my to Brian's forum and I'd like to think some divne intervention had something to do with that.
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Well, the move that has recently dramatically changed my ball striking is the "twist away" post-impact, or the full "wedding ring up swivel" as Brian refers to it. I've never been able to properly rotate my left forearm through the downswing to get the clubface consistently square (nearly square is more correct) at impact. Now, I think I am finally getting the necessary left forearm rotation by using a flat left wrist at the top (less than a full twist away at this point) and the full wedding ring up swivel to finish. The latter seems to dictate that I hold the flat left wrist from the top all the way through to the finish. Wow! Striking a golf ball has never felt so good! My consistency has gone way, way up and I'm beginning to feel what the ball is going to do based on where I get my left wrist to. What a great feeling to have!
I can't recommend this DVD enough. Also, there is some very good material in the confessions of a former flipper DVD. I liked the web versions of both of these videos so much that I ordered both of the DVDs and am looking forward to getting those also.
Jim Kobylinski
Super Moderator
The part i bolded is something i had to do as well, when first coming to brian and have had to do with people who had really bad open clubfaces. Eventually you won't have too, but until you learn how open you need it for you, i'd just keep doing what you're doing.
wedding ring up
I also prefer my twistaway later in the swing. I've had much more success with wedding ring up than trying (and trying and trying) to achieve a flat left wrist at the top. In NSA Brian talks about if and when u start hitting it left the "less open" (read closed) clubface at the top is the first thing he'd change. I've always wondered why change twistaway in that section of the stroke first?
fyi - patiently waiting for Friends video and Manzella Tour schedule so I can get some lessons, figure out a pattern and shoot lower scores (in other words, don't want to argue TGM, worry about my right heel at impact, etc. just want to hit it better) JRJ
I also prefer my twistaway later in the swing. I've had much more success with wedding ring up than trying (and trying and trying) to achieve a flat left wrist at the top. In NSA Brian talks about if and when u start hitting it left the "less open" (read closed) clubface at the top is the first thing he'd change. I've always wondered why change twistaway in that section of the stroke first?
fyi - patiently waiting for Friends video and Manzella Tour schedule so I can get some lessons, figure out a pattern and shoot lower scores (in other words, don't want to argue TGM, worry about my right heel at impact, etc. just want to hit it better) JRJ
Kevin Shields
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I thought the actual twistaway was a backswing move, then you "hold the twist" (which was done in the backswing) then swivel?
For some who can't, or don't, or won't "hold the twist" (like me in the beginning), they need to twistaway in the downswing and all the way to the finish. I had to be trained out of a flipper finish and I used the twistaway to do it.
gdxjr
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thanks everyone for your replies. one more thing since i have been able to get out and hit some balls at the range i have had some real bad pain in my right elbow and forearm i am right handed could this be from swinging the club and keeping my right wrist bent through inpact or should i straighen it at inpact. thanks everyone.
braveheart
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I find that trying to hold the twistaway adds a lot of tension to the grip. Should it feel uncomfortable at first? I have tried it off and on after getting the video but have not committed to it due to freeling restricted or too tight. Any thoughts? Thanks.
I tend to lose twistaway in the transition into the downswing. Regardless of when it is established, it can be lost at any point in the swing, particularly the downswing. Other than holding it, causing the tension described above, are there any other causes or cures for losing the twistaway in the downswing and the right wrist turning to laid off?
Kevin Shields
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I find alot of reasons for losing it in the downswing. #1 - Axis tilt left alone will always lose the twistaway #2 - an underplane right shoulder #3 Working on congruent angle theory downswing #4 A "karate chop" or left elbow leading downswing #5 A strong right hand grip #6 not establishing the #3 pressure point early enough, etc etc.
Not that I've done any of these.
You're not alone, it can be hard. Stick with it.
Not that I've done any of these.
You're not alone, it can be hard. Stick with it.
Jim Kobylinski
Super Moderator
most people feel this tension because they aren't used to keeping the clubface so much more closed "to them."
Kevin Shields
Super Moderator
Right on.
Kevin Shields
Super Moderator
The extra arm rotation that helps the club get laid off also gets your pressure under the sweetspot. Just ask Tiger.
That's a pretty good post Kevin. Can I convince you to expand on these?
Kevin Shields
Super Moderator
Sure.
- Adding axis tilt on the downswing, all things being equal, will make your right palm face the sky, making it harder to hold the twist.
- A right shoulder that goes down and not out will do the same thing
- a Haney "congruent angle" theory has the club too high and the angle too low. You have to back up and lower the club to get it on a real plane which gets you under the sweetspot. this is what Tiger seems to be doing sometimes.
-A left handed karate chop type downswing move does not allow the sweetspot to turn off the plane early enough, making squaring the blade more of a timing the throwout or a flip
- you always want to feel that right forefinger behind the sweetspot. If you don't establish that feel before the transition, its hard to find in the downswing
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