Two Different Pivots (with pictures) — Part 2

[Brian Manzella]

Now that I have found a very good example of a "Centered Head Pivot"—Jim Hardy student Olin Browne, I have posted his swing, and that of Payne Stewart, to compare and contrast the "Centered Head Pivot,' with a "Point Between the Shoulders-type Pivot."

My opinion on this is very simple, I like BOTH pivots—for what they are.

I think that the USEFULNESS of the Olin Browne pivot is less than that of Payne's.

Both will work, but I would prefer Payne's for a talented player trying to hit a draw.

I like most of Olin's pattern, but I would like him to move slightly more to his right—with the same angles otherwise—than what he does now.

Let's discuss these pivots and lets keep it civil, please.

 

[Brian Manzella]

Payne and Olin

Here are two versions of this comparison: one without lines and one with a yellow cone to show relative head position and axis tilt of the two players.

Payne Stewart was taught by the very fine teacher Chuck Cook, a fellow Authorized Instructor of The Golfing Machine, who will present at BOTH the TGM and PGA Summits this December.

 

[shootin4par]

brian,
in your first part of this I noticed something and maybe you can tell me why.
in the pictures of your first thread on this when you kept the head still on the backswing it moved forward of address position on the way down. in the other, where the head moved back on the back swing, it did not move forward of address position, why?
thanks

 

[bts]

Why bother?

If the head gets back to the address position coming down and at impact, why bother moving it right going back?

 

[shootin4par]

If the head gets back to the address position coming down and at impact, why bother moving it right going back?

because rotating around your spine dictates that, I finally see the light about the pivot articles

 

[Perfect Impact]

If you draw a line from the C-7 swing center of either golfer that runs down to the base of the spine, you'll see that that BASE is pendulumswinging under C-7: in the backswing in BOTH golfers the base of the spine moves to the right to a spot atop the right femur. In the downswing, BOTH golfers' spine base slides to the left to a spot atop the left femur: THIS PENDULUM ACTION SIDEWAYS powers the shoulders on plane. Some incidental movement of the TOP of that pendulum is not serious, IMO...