Underplane inclinations?
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Jim Kobylinski
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Yes, i will walk you through it:
Too in/out means (i'm being general here) some kind of draw/hook. If you have a clubface that is more for a neutral path and apply that with a too in/out swing you are going to have a drastically closed "true clubface."
What better players (who tend to be too in/out) do is begin to get the clubface more open at impact to counteract the too in/out path and generally this leads to thin contact and barely a divot (if at all).
BTW this is directly opposite was slicers do, they just keep changing the path with the same face.
Interesting huh? Again not always 100% of the time but most of the time.
Kevin Shields
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Just to be sure, he did say underplane, not too in to out. I do agree with alot of what you said about in to out, tho. Underplane is a whole different animal.
gmbtempe
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Jim,
In general do most golfers, not say the touring pro or elite amateur, how do they get under plane? Is it they over shift below the plane? Is it hanging back with to much axis tilt?
I ask because I am neither a pro or elite but I am way under plane. I see a slight OTT move followed by a pull straight down under the plane.
I know in NHA 2.0 BM talks about the carry which makes perfect sense but I am having a hard time reconciling this move with my already OTT move.
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Jim Kobylinski
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honestly, there are so many reasons it's not worth trying to isolate them. Case by case basis
Jim Kobylinski
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true, but there has to be correlation with underplane and too in/out. How often do you see someone way underplane but not notorious in/out on trackman kevin?
Kevin Shields
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I totally isolate the two. I understand alot of the times they correlate. But inside out and underplane are not the same. Out to in steep downswings almost always shallow out under their plane. Just like in to outers have above plane hands and only the clubhead underplane. You can cure the in to out and still leave all the symptoms of underplane.
But obviously i understand your point, which is good. I just get a little interested when people start discussing underplane.
But obviously i understand your point, which is good. I just get a little interested when people start discussing underplane.
Kevin Shields
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G, its your pivot.
Kevin,
I fall into the in to outer with hands above plane but club under group. Is this due to too much hand action at take away pulling the club inside? Fixes?
Kevin Shields
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There's absolutely nothing that says that would be a CAUSE of underplane. Maybe it helps exacerbate it for some but not a cause. Causes to me can include but arent limited to too much pulling, early downswing axis tilt, reversed hips, under turning, open face flip hooking, etc.
Kevin Shields
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Please define under and over plane.
What plane? Shaft? Where? Impact?
Probably point me to the explanation somewhere buried in-thread...
Cheers.
Exactly. Too many variables. I just think sweetspot at any point of the preselected downswing plane. Garcia is underplane in the transition and back on by impact. Apparently gmbtempe is over plane then underneath at impact. But I'll maintain that by definition, can you be underplane and still hit it solidly?
Kevin Shields
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You prob learned to turn the face down due to your path before. Check for certain that you're making center face contact by marking some balls but you'll have to alter the face at some point to be more open.
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