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This course and last years course might be great courses, but I do not like watching them on TV. When two approach shots are offline and the one further offline ends up closer to the hole, it just seems like randomness plays too great a factor. This happens at the British Open sometimes also. Maybe if I were to ever play Erin Hills I would feel different.
 
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Chiefbullmarket said:
This course and last years course might be great courses, but I do not like watching them on TV. When two approach shots are offline and the one further offline ends up closer to the hole, it just seems like randomness plays too great a factor. This happens at the British Open sometimes also. Maybe if I were to ever play Erin Hills I would feel different.
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You could probably say the same thing about Shinnecock. The cream ultimately rises to the top at both Shinnecock and Erin Hills, though. Hard and fast beats dart throwing any day.

Can't believe how much Cantlay has lost his composure the last couple holes (although there is a lot on the line, I guess).
 
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Chiefbullmarket said:
This course and last years course might be great courses, but I do not like watching them on TV. When two approach shots are offline and the one further offline ends up closer to the hole, it just seems like randomness plays too great a factor. This happens at the British Open sometimes also. Maybe if I were to ever play Erin Hills I would feel different.
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Randomness or favorable bounces. I like favorable bounces.
 
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I agree.I thought the course last year was the ugliest course I ever saw on television. The USGA is taking some chances with these venues. They may be great layouts, but they don't photograph well.
 
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ms1170 said:
I agree.I thought the course last year was the ugliest course I ever saw on television. The USGA is taking some chances with these venues. They may be great layouts, but they don't photograph well.
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The fact that Americans demand every green and every fairway to be that perfect shade of green is uneconomical. Bad for the environment, too.
 
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Kevin Shields said:
Are you American?
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I think that the statement is definitely true if you substitute "the majority of TV golf watching public" for the word "americans"...

Any course which costs less to maintain (both ecologically and economically) and gives a variety of golfing challenges (strategic and visual) is a stronger golf course than one that cost the earth to maintain and is dull. (please note that I am not saying that Augusta is dull...)

Portfolio Coore & Crenshaw - Timeless by Design, Golf Architecture, Golf Course Design & Construction

These guys seem to be on the right track...

Golf Course Architecture...The Anti-Augusta Syndrome Coore & Crenshaw - Timeless by Design, Golf Architecture, Golf Course Design & Construction
 
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Speaking of Crenshaw & Coore, if you read anything about the Sand Hills in the middle of nowhere Nebraska, that's a course you will want to play before you die, type of course.






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golfbulldog said:
I think that the statement is definitely true if you substitute "the majority of TV golf watching public" for the word "americans"...

Any course which costs less to maintain (both ecologically and economically) and gives a variety of golfing challenges (strategic and visual) is a stronger golf course than one that cost the earth to maintain and is dull. (please note that I am not saying that Augusta is dull...)

Portfolio Coore & Crenshaw - Timeless by Design, Golf Architecture, Golf Course Design & Construction

These guys seem to be on the right track...

Golf Course Architecture...The Anti-Augusta Syndrome Coore & Crenshaw - Timeless by Design, Golf Architecture, Golf Course Design & Construction
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I read the linked Coore & Crenshaw article. I didn't detect any deliberate irony or satire - apart from this "the commitment of Pinehurst’s management to see No. 2 play truly fast and firm is absolute (although it will be sprayed with a light green paint, to reduce the shock of seeing wholly dormant Bermuda)".

Was that a joke? I have no idea what wholly dormant Bermuda looks like - but I'm having a hard time imagining anything worse than painted grass.
 
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birly-shirly said:
I read the linked Coore & Crenshaw article. I didn't detect any deliberate irony or satire - apart from this "the commitment of Pinehurst’s management to see No. 2 play truly fast and firm is absolute (although it will be sprayed with a light green paint, to reduce the shock of seeing wholly dormant Bermuda)".

Was that a joke? I have no idea what wholly dormant Bermuda looks like - but I'm having a hard time imagining anything worse than painted grass.
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Exactly what I'm talking about. At some courses here in Texas, they let the bermuda greens go dormant during the winter. Totally playable (a little slower) but to make them more appealing, they paint them green. Without the paint, the dormant grass would be a faded khaki color. Horrors!
 
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The bit of the article i liked was the:

- "26 acres of turf has been removed. Only 450 of the 1150 irrigation heads on the golf course before the work now remain"


- "For a course of this stature to be embracing the fast, firm, open mantra so totally, with its consequent impact on environmental and economic sustainability, is the best news golf has received in many a year. Now it’s time for the rest of the industry to follow Pinehurst’s lead."

If they need to paint the grass green then it is sad... but that is something that will surely drop in the future... when sufficient time has passed for people to realise that grass is natural product with its own life cycle...

Golden (khaki for the less romantic) rough framing the green fairways merely accentuates the green of the fairways...an emerald pathway leading to the hole...

http://www.insidegolf.com.au/golf-travel/barnbougle-dunes-and-lost-farm/

Somethings are better left in their natural state..with just a little, careful grooming...to avoid this:

http://www.wrongplasticsurgery.com/
 
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faux_maestro

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Lifter said:
The fact that Americans demand every green and every fairway to be that perfect shade of green is uneconomical. Bad for the environment, too.
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I'm American and I don't mind a little brown. Of course I grew up playing a course outin the country that had no sprinkler system at all, just spouts that they could hook up a portable sprinkler for the greens. It got baked out and brown in the summer. I could hit 300+ yard drives at 13 years old on some holes:)

Golden (khaki for the less romantic) rough framing the green fairways merely accentuates the green of the fairways...an emerald pathway leading to the hole...
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Do the tour events in Arizona still look like this? I loved the Phoenix and Tucson events used to look like that.
 
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My old home course put in a new fairway sprinkler sys and then jacked up the rates. I could care less that the fairway is nicer mostly. The only good thing is it effectively lengthens the course, which is not real long.

Nice muni course, but I don't think it was necessary.

I like the more natural approach. "Links style". (conditions and layouts for that matter)

Why the differences I wonder?

Surely it has to do with culture/heritage and whatever sells.
 
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