Using SD but wanting more compression...

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I'm currently using the soft draw pattern and I've been having good success with it. However, I'm still not getting much compression and not much of a divot. Hit it pretty good off the tee but it's hit and miss on the ground. Can I work on Confessions with Soft Draw? Thanks

PS My miss is a hook (if it matters)
 
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Jim Kobylinski

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curtisj76 said:
I'm currently using the soft draw pattern and I've been having good success with it. However, I'm still not getting much compression and not much of a divot. Hit it pretty good off the tee but it's hit and miss on the ground. Can I work on Confessions with Soft Draw? Thanks

PS My miss is a hook (if it matters)
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You are either swinging too far right or your face is too open (or combo a both if it is actually drawing and not hooking).
 
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Jim Kobylinski said:
You are either swinging too far right or your face is too open (or combo a both if it is actually drawing and not hooking).
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For my lack of compression or hook? Or both? Thanks Jim

PS If my face was too open wouldn't the ball somehow go right? If so, my ball almost never goes from left to right. Thanks again!!!!
 
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Jim Kobylinski

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let's say you swing inside out 5 degrees and usually have a 1 or 2 degrees open face; you now 3 to 4 degrees closed to the path you are swinging on. Fore left LOL. So let's say with SD you still swing that far to the right but managed to open your face another 1 or 2 degrees. Now you are much less closed to your path and it should draw but that doesn't mean the 5 degrees to the right is a good thing. Hopefully this makes sense.
 
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Jim Kobylinski

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if you swing inside out 2 degrees and your face is open 2 degrees the clubface is SQUARE (2-2=0) to the PATH you are swinging on. This should result in a straight push.

Use the same math on my example above, it should start to make sense.
 
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Jim Kobylinski said:
let's say you swing inside out 5 degrees and usually have a 1 or 2 degrees open face; you now 3 to 4 degrees closed to the path you are swinging on. Fore left LOL.
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You mean 1 or 2 degrees open clubface relative to the target line or plane line not the path? because if it was open relative to the path fore right, way right...
 
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Jim Kobylinski

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HOT CHILLI said:
You mean 1 or 2 degrees open clubface relative to the target line or plane line not the path? because if it was open relative to the path fore right, way right...
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I mean what i said:

A clubpath that is going inside/out 5* and a clubface that is open 2* at impact is essentially a clubface that is 3* closed to the 5* inside/out path.

If you wanted a "fore right" shot from a inside/out path of 5* you'd need a clubface that was 6* or more open at impact which would be 1*+ open to the path. This would result in a push fade.
 
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damn JIM you know your shit...........I dont know weather to drive to Chi-town or NO now............but I will say this....keep the explaining coming !!!
 
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Jim Kobylinski said:
I mean what i said:

A clubpath that is going inside/out 5* and a clubface that is open 2* at impact is essentially a clubface that is 3* closed to the 5* inside/out path.

If you wanted a "fore right" shot from a inside/out path of 5* you'd need a clubface that was 6* or more open at impact which would be 1*+ open to the path. This would result in a push fade.
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Ok so if you said a clubface that is open 2* at impact does the clubhead is already tracing a straight plane line until it gets to Seperation?
Or does the clubhead still coming from inside 5* at impact so it basically doesn't trace the plane line, Maybe it will for a very short time, it's coming too much from inside out.
 
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Kevin Shields

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A 5* inside path can still trace a straight line but it will be bent to the right. Several tour players play this way but aim left and get their faces in concert with the path. When good players snap their chain some of them do it better going away from their bodies rather than across their bodies so, bingo, just support the shaft and aim left.
 
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What about the pivot?

Curtis,

If you believe your hands are educated enough to be tracing a straight plane line perhaps your pivot is the problem....those hands can only overcome so much.

What does the downswing portion of your pattern feel like? Or at least what are you trying to accomplish?
 
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2mongoose said:
Curtis,

If you believe your hands are educated enough to be tracing a straight plane line perhaps your pivot is the problem....those hands can only overcome so much.

What does the downswing portion of your pattern feel like? Or at least what are you trying to accomplish?
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Thanks for the input 2mongoose but I'm not sure. I played a lot today and hit the ball great. Most GIR's I've had in a long time. Hit some great drives with a few landing just off of the green (par 4's). I haven't hit a range yet this year so I'm hoping to "dig it out of the dirt" one of these days.
 
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curtisj76 said:
Thanks for the reply but it doesn't. I figured inside out with an open face would result in fore right. Is there a thread around here on the ball flight laws so I could study this????? Thanks
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Curtis,
All you need to remember is the 80/20 rule (Some say 75-25 but 80/20 will do..:)).
This dictates that in any given shot, the ball STARTS OUT 80% in favour of the clubface and only 20% in favour of the swing path.

So, if you aim your clubface directly at the target and swing 10 degrees to the right, the ball will start out 2 degrees to the right of your target (but it will be a massive hook which will end up well left of target)....

This is why if you want to draw (or fade) your ball into the target, you should never aim your clubface directly at the target. It should be slightly right of the target for a draw and slightly left of the target for a fade....
 
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puttmad said:
Curtis,
All you need to remember is the 80/20 rule (Some say 75-25 but 80/20 will do..:)).
This dictates that in any given shot, the ball STARTS OUT 80% in favour of the clubface and only 20% in favour of the swing path.

So, if you aim your clubface directly at the target and swing 10 degrees to the right, the ball will start out 2 degrees to the right of your target (but it will be a massive hook which will end up well left of target)....

This is why if you want to draw (or fade) your ball into the target, you should never aim your clubface directly at the target. It should be slightly right of the target for a draw and slightly left of the target for a fade....
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That helps. You see I didn't want to aim too much right because I thought that would create more of a hook.
 
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