vertical to the ground (help the dog)

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diggerdog

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In my Doyle tape, he talks about the clubface being "vertical to the
ground" at all points along the swing, and says supination and pronation are just an illusion. Brian and all, help me here. If i swing a club in front of me on a horizontal plane, I keep the clubface, in a general way, vertical to the ground. In the downswing, I swivel the clubface to where it is horizontal to the ground, hence I hook. Should I fan, roll, or whatever more in the backswing to match the followthrough, or swivel less in the followthrough to match the backswing?
 
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EdZ

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Try this:

club held out in front of you, but with hands at 'belly button' high, elbows against the sides just above the hips and the clubface at eye level (not cocked up, just the natural angle)

keeping your elbows 'on a rail' around your torso and keeping the relationship of the hands/arms/club and the club 'up', simply pull your right elbow straight BACK, in doing so you will find your right wrist will naturally bend

As you straighten the right arm, allow the elbow to come off as you 'upper cut punch' in a horizontal plane, again the club is still 'up'

There is no roll, and no swivel, and the right wrist will bend/arch

This is a 'cramped' version of what happens on the inclined plane for a hitters motion and shows why a hitters motion has some advantage - no roll/swivel but bend/arch - also why its natural angled hinge tend to lead to a fade.

This may also help you understand the 'feel' of the right hand in the takeaway - like pulling a lawn mower cord and 'pushing' it back on the same line
 
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denny.

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IN horizontal hinge action the left wrist stays vertical to the ground.Hinge action happens from impact to follow thru (both arms straight).
 
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azgolfer

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Vertical to the ground is "plumb" or just "vertical". Vertical to another line is perpendicular or orthogonal. Engineers never say "vertical to".
 
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Ringer

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EdZ...

Everytime I hear someone refer to the famous "Pull the lawnmower chord" analogy I get lost where it is trying to explain right wrist folding. I don't know about you, but when I pull a lawn mower chord my wrist doesn't fold at all. Can you help me out a bit here?
 
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EdZ

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quote:Originally posted by Ringer

EdZ...

Everytime I hear someone refer to the famous "Pull the lawnmower chord" analogy I get lost where it is trying to explain right wrist folding. I don't know about you, but when I pull a lawn mower chord my wrist doesn't fold at all. Can you help me out a bit here?
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It is mostly about defining the feeling of the plane of the forearm, not so much the bending back of the wrist per se, however the bend is in that plane, straight back on the forearm.
 
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Ringer

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I get ya now.... it's not really about the folding of the hand back, but about the position of the forarm and the bending of the elbow that is similar.
 
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ryantiff

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What is the right angle of the forearm at address? You can have the forearm more upward to the sky (facing up, like 45 degree to the plane line) or facing parallel to the plane line. If you then fold the forearm on the latter, the forearm will be facing downward. If this more for a hitting procedure? I found the 45 degree more comfortable going back but would like to know if I am doing things correct. Currently I am learning the swinging procedure.
 
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