Video - Brandel goes off on Tiger and Foley swing changes

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Oh, this is classic! Lots of Joe Six Packs out there listen to Brandel and they don't stand a chance.

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Leading with the right elbow through impact is awful? Whaaaaat???

Squatting with the knees like Sam Snead prior to impact is awful? Whaaaaat???

Ben Hogan's flat swing plane was awful and was far too timing-dependent? Whaaaaat???
 
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Kevin Shields said:
Yeah, what the hell, why not?
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First point: Brandel is clearly advocating "optimal" Tiger 2000 technique. And advocating "optimal" is an approach the top instructors on this website reject. Right? Lot of ways to skin a cat.

But still, there is value in comparing what hacker slicers look like and what most great ballstrikers look like.

Hacker slicers tend to keep their right elbow "up and behind." From a face-on view, their right elbow barely ever gets below their left arm at all on the downswing. Two notable exceptions are Rory and Furyk. But they are very unusual.

Squatting with the knees? Sam Snead was famous for it. The vast majority of great ballstrikers throughout history squatted their knees after transition to some extent. As a result, their heads lowered substantially during the downswing. It's all there if you just take swings off YouTube and put them in V1 software.

And it's just very doubtful that Hogan's swing was more timing-dependent than most other greats we've seen throughout the years. After all, just look at Hogan's playing record and combine that with his mediocre putting. He and Trevino are more famous than anyone for their ability to control their ballflight. Does Brandel really think that that was all a fluke?
 
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I must have watched a different clip. Didn't hear BC say "awful" even once. Instead, he gave his views on why TW may be missing both ways with his driver and did a little "compare and contrast" exercise with two different photos. As for the elbow, the squat and the Hogan's swing, again he seemed to be making observations more than criticising. As an example, he said SF wants his players to squat down and spring up (as do Plummer and Bennett, I think). Maybe I'm Joe Six Pack personified but I enjoyed it.
 
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Position of the left arm coming down reminded me of MJ's video on "replacing the left arm". To the extent that the pictures can be trusted it appears that TW's left arm is less steep coming down now then before (this is my problem and slices abound ... the only thing I have in common with TW). Perhaps this answers the first annoying whaaaaat???, but I doubt it will.

As far as Newton is concerned Brandel is exactly wrong. Squatting reduces the ground reaction forces (the equal and opposite force). But it does put the leg muscles in a position to more effectively apply a downward force when needed.
 
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