Welp, went to one of a instructor that Csmart suggested
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jenhaoyen
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I'm sick of hitting it fat!! Well....After the lesson I feel like I hit it even fatter.
I did see something in the video tho. I was going up steep, and down steep too. I think I could shallow it out and it will be fine.
Out of the instructors cmartin suggested, I would chose Mchatten. If you didn't go to him, then I would try to. He is Ben Doyle trained and Brian has said if anything, Ben Doyle guys have their low spot too far forward.
The thing about hitting it fat is throwaway and an open clubface. If you don't have it yet, get Confessions of a Former Flipper, learn to properly chip, pitch and punch shots straight at your target. Then learn to do it with a little more bent over posture. The key for me to be able to do this is to use twistaway a lot on the downswing and feel the hands going to a spot about 6 inches in front of the left foot.
You may think you are good enough to not have to do this, I thought the same thing...and kept shooting in the mid 80's. I have been working on just these things--no other short game or putting--for about 3 months now. Played a couple weeks ago on a course that I shot 92 in August. Shot 81 with 4 3-puts. Ball striking was way more consistent. And I think I can actually feel how the soft draw pattern is supposed to.
The thing about hitting it fat is throwaway and an open clubface. If you don't have it yet, get Confessions of a Former Flipper, learn to properly chip, pitch and punch shots straight at your target. Then learn to do it with a little more bent over posture. The key for me to be able to do this is to use twistaway a lot on the downswing and feel the hands going to a spot about 6 inches in front of the left foot.
You may think you are good enough to not have to do this, I thought the same thing...and kept shooting in the mid 80's. I have been working on just these things--no other short game or putting--for about 3 months now. Played a couple weeks ago on a course that I shot 92 in August. Shot 81 with 4 3-puts. Ball striking was way more consistent. And I think I can actually feel how the soft draw pattern is supposed to.
jenhaoyen
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in the video..shows flat wrist....no throwaway. Just deep into the ground porkchop time.
jenhaoyen
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I think my downswing might be too steep. When I saw in the video my shaft was between my neck and my right shoulder on the downswing. It's mostly pull draw
If you hit it fat, there is throwaway or leakage somewhere--maybe too much right arm or at the wrong time? Maybe one of the instructors can determine what other things may be causing you to hit fat.
Too steep downswing can be fixed pretty easy, I think. Especially if you can chip, pitch and punch properly at your target.
I think the odds BM or a BM Acad. teacher would put you in laid-off swing and tell you your swing is too long are slim to none.
From BM at Lake Presidential: a major reason for hitting the ball fat is not getting your tailbone ahead of the ball. Are you sure your have enough tilt?
If you hit it fat, there is throwaway or leakage somewhere--maybe too much right arm or at the wrong time? Maybe one of the instructors can determine what other things may be causing you to hit fat.
Too steep downswing can be fixed pretty easy, I think. Especially if you can chip, pitch and punch properly at your target.
Not true. For better players, the fats can come from a too-far-right path.
Just as the easiest way to move low point further forward is to swing more left, you can move it back by swinging too far right.
Fair enough. I guess I was too caught up in him saying he was "too steep".
Swing left=more turn around left leg=more open hips and shoulders.
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Jen,
Maybe you are simply a little too slow with the lower body pivot...hence the arms too low, too early (big fats baby..)..
Try working on a quicker weightshift off your right side....
Jen,
Maybe you are simply a little too slow with the lower body pivot...hence the arms too low, too early (big fats baby..
)..Try working on a quicker weightshift off your right side....
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For crying out loud!!!!
You swing too far to the right.
You swing too far to the right.
You swing too far to the right.
You swing too far to the right.
You swing too far to the right.
You swing too far to the right.
You swing too far to the right.
Period.
Now....
Do this TODAY:
Go to the range—forget the lesson—go to the far right side of the tee line—aim WAY left—hit a big slice with a 5 or 6 iron.
Are you hitting it fat?
If you are, call me at 502-417-4653
You swing too far to the right.
You swing too far to the right.
You swing too far to the right.
You swing too far to the right.
You swing too far to the right.
You swing too far to the right.
You swing too far to the right.
Period.
Now....
Do this TODAY:
Go to the range—forget the lesson—go to the far right side of the tee line—aim WAY left—hit a big slice with a 5 or 6 iron.
Are you hitting it fat?
If you are, call me at 502-417-4653
Hopefully Brian will give you the help that you need. If you're trying to hit the big cut/slice that Brian was asking you to, then it looks good to me and I don't think you hit those shots fat. You have a lot of carry in these swings.
If not then I think: You would need less carry and have a feeling like the club head falls behind you from the top through the downswing, but you will also need to twistaway from the top and during the downswing. You may also need a feeling of the hands going way forward to help not hitting it fat.
Not a bad swing, I think as Brian and the other instructors here say, fix the clubface, then fix the path.
Looking at the swing for a while and it looks like the extra carry happens because of the final lift of the hands and your first move of the downswing being a turn to the left. I don't think you need to change the backswing much--maybe just go more inside with the hands to start. I think you may just need to drop the hands at the start of the downswing or have your first move into the downswing be the right shoulder moving down, then turn. But, still work the twistaway.
If not then I think: You would need less carry and have a feeling like the club head falls behind you from the top through the downswing, but you will also need to twistaway from the top and during the downswing. You may also need a feeling of the hands going way forward to help not hitting it fat.
Not a bad swing, I think as Brian and the other instructors here say, fix the clubface, then fix the path.
Looking at the swing for a while and it looks like the extra carry happens because of the final lift of the hands and your first move of the downswing being a turn to the left. I don't think you need to change the backswing much--maybe just go more inside with the hands to start. I think you may just need to drop the hands at the start of the downswing or have your first move into the downswing be the right shoulder moving down, then turn. But, still work the twistaway.
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I think what you are doing is a classic over the top, steep down, all arms swing.
Setup. You have no axis tilt to the rear. When you pivot you are remaining straight/leaning toward the target (reverse pivot is common name for this).
You have this backswing in which your arm swing far exceeds your shoulder turn. Why? I think you get to that because of your flexibility (you can do it so you do it.). Also, in a sense, because you think you need to do that to hit the ball a long way. You need less arm swing.
Look at the face-on portion of the bottom video. Just before impact look at the relationship between hips and shoulders. You are initiating your downswing with your arms and upper body. Brian's videos cover the correct sequence over and over again. Watch "The Yellow Brick Road" thing.
So I would forget about anything more technical than getting your sequencing in the correct order.
Setup. You have no axis tilt to the rear. When you pivot you are remaining straight/leaning toward the target (reverse pivot is common name for this).
You have this backswing in which your arm swing far exceeds your shoulder turn. Why? I think you get to that because of your flexibility (you can do it so you do it.). Also, in a sense, because you think you need to do that to hit the ball a long way. You need less arm swing.
Look at the face-on portion of the bottom video. Just before impact look at the relationship between hips and shoulders. You are initiating your downswing with your arms and upper body. Brian's videos cover the correct sequence over and over again. Watch "The Yellow Brick Road" thing.
So I would forget about anything more technical than getting your sequencing in the correct order.
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