What are the biggest factors that affect low point control?
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IMO, players that drag the handle fear this shot most because it requires precision that a sharp leading edge can't provide.
Kevin Shields
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Whether or not the club gets to the other side of the hands affects low point more than anything IMO
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SteveT
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The hands path low point just happens because the downswing hand path is a blending of dragging and then going normal... pulling tangentially and pulling radially. The trick is to get an ascending hand path going into impact, together with the correct placement of the ball in your stance.
My suggestion... forget about your handle dragging, and just about the time your hands reach your rear leg, just torque your shoulders to the max and step hard on your lead leg while straightening you knee... but make sure you dipped first at the start of the downswing. What this does is help the radial "going normal" component of your downswing to overwhelm the tangential "dragging".
Give it a conscious try and tell us what happens when you reach the what you think is the transition point from tangential to radial. It may/will desynchonize your downswing sequencing, but it will expose your brainlet to the correct feel of going normal and defeating dragging... I think.
As for the wet, bent grass chip/lob shot .... be brave and decisive on whatever you attempt to do... and above all don't fearfully block and decelerate the clubhead... oh, and good luck ... oh, and ever try a 60 yard bump'n run ...???!!!!!
Brian Manzella
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The #1 determent of low point is swing direction (plane line, base line, HSP).
The #2 determent of low point is angle of attack.
The #3 determent of low point is body placement.
The #2 determent of low point is angle of attack.
The #3 determent of low point is body placement.
Agree 1000%. Have to let the clubhead overtake and free wheel, otherwise your hanging on the bad way and tightening up, have to give it up to the clubhead.
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When you guys say other side of the hands, do you mean in terms of tumble, or passing the hands from a face-on view?
I let the catching up clubhead just have it's way and the wrists must let it pass on through, no impediment at all, it's on it's own caused by what I did before with the handpath and torques etc., etc. face on my lead wrist bends as the clubhead just keeps on doing it's thing, effortless, no adding, or subtracting all "normal". It" feels" like the clubhead flipped the crap out of my lead wrist after impact, the ball has no friggin idea what happened and doesn't care, but I do.
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SteveT
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I let the catching up clubhead just have it's way and the wrists must let it pass on through, no impediment at all, it's on it's own caused by what I did before with the handpath and torques etc., etc. face on my lead wrist bends as the clubhead just keeps on doing it's thing, effortless, no adding, or subtracting all "normal". It" feels" like the clubhead flipped the crap out of my lead wrist after impact, the ball has no friggin idea what happened and doesn't care, but I do.
Good points.... but if you attempt to retain a flat lead wrist after impact, the club will "flip" around the lead wrist joint because of the continued flow of kinetic energy in a reduced followthru swing radius ..... but if you consciously supinate the lead arm and hand, it will resist flipping because it anatomically locks the wrists, and because the followthru swing radius is extended thus increasing the moment of inertia caused by the extended mass of the arms around the swing pivot. Remember, the kinetic chain doesn't vanish after impact, it keeps on swinging!!
To confirm this visually, look at the driver followthru and a wedge followthru... the former has an extended swing radius while the latter has an abbreviated swing radius. Or, watch when the golfer bends both elbows in the followthru to complete the finish stance.
Does this juggling of dynamic factors make sense to you?
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I don't consciously try to supinate I don't consciously "try", it adds tension, I subconsciously "let", I trust it, pretty much on auto for me.
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SteveT
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Fair enough .... but how do you make changes in your golfswing? Do you agree/disagree with the important content of my message, and why?
It's waaay beyond my pay grade. I haven't made changes to my swing in many many years, I just now have an explanation as to why it works. I never ever dragged or yanked on the club to the point of no release and it might have to do with me playing Lacrosse and other sports that require a type of throwing I have always been very good at throwing sports right from darts onwards to baseball, football, lacrosse etc. Lucky I guess. Plus I started very young.
Oh! if your asking if I believe in the release the answer is yes, do I know the science the answer is no, but I don't doubt it. I basically know what's correct for me and if that jives with the science all the better for me.
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