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Brian and others: What do you think of this drill? Thanks.
Brian and others: What do you think of this drill? Thanks.
What do you make of this drill?
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mgjordan
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I think it is a great drill. John, in my opinion, is one of the best teachers in the world and some of his concepts and ideas are very original.
Most poor players MUST learn to exagerate all good feelings to an extreme just to get close to doing it correctly. If you order John's video, the second half is a lesson he is giving. The guy is older and is your classic over the top slicer. John works with him for 30-45 minutes and by the end, the guy has a tour quality downswing plane. The drill from his website really shows a poorer player how to shift back to the shaft plane. During a full speed swing, the player won't ever come close to doing what the drill demonstrates, but if most over the top slicers ATTEMPT this action at full speed, they will come close to getting on plane.
Most poor players MUST learn to exagerate all good feelings to an extreme just to get close to doing it correctly. If you order John's video, the second half is a lesson he is giving. The guy is older and is your classic over the top slicer. John works with him for 30-45 minutes and by the end, the guy has a tour quality downswing plane. The drill from his website really shows a poorer player how to shift back to the shaft plane. During a full speed swing, the player won't ever come close to doing what the drill demonstrates, but if most over the top slicers ATTEMPT this action at full speed, they will come close to getting on plane.
Burner
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The drill is designed to help get the feeling for the plane shift (dropping into the slot) from the shoulder plane to the clubshaft plane on the downswing. JD discusses this plane shift when he first talks about Ben Hogan and the plane.
It "helps get the feeling" but is not a recommended swing move. Most recreationals swing over the top, directly from the shoulder plane, and this drill, like the Pump Drill, should help them.
It "helps get the feeling" but is not a recommended swing move. Most recreationals swing over the top, directly from the shoulder plane, and this drill, like the Pump Drill, should help them.
Brian Manzella
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I saw a teacher ruin dozens of players with this HORRIBLE drill.
Hue....have some backbone...if its working well for you continue...unless Brian says otherwise[:0]. I love Brian's stuff, and use it too. And it works well for me (most of it, but NO teacher (NONE) has all the answers for all players</u>...thats just not reality. What Dunnigan teachs may be perfect for you and others as well. If all students followed everything Brian or any other teacher described, you wouldn't know John Daly, Jim Furyk, Lee Trevino, Jack Nicklaus, Jim Thorpe, or Julie Inkster, or Nancy Lopez, or Rickey Barnes, etc, etc, etc. Some stuff is just individualistic and unorthodox and works like a charm...and it dosent need to be changed or "fixed".
300Drive: I had given this drill a go and found that my swing was going all over the place. It felt contrived and the downswing felt like a two piece motion . I felt I was entering dangerous territory changing the shifts in my swing and maybe this is something left alone. Most changes are difficult to integrate but this one felt dangerous.
"John Daly, Jim Furyk, Lee Trevino, Jack Nicklaus, Jim Thorpe, or Julie Inkster, or Nancy Lopez, or Rickey Barnes, etc, etc, etc. Some stuff is just individualistic and unorthodox and works like a charm...and it dosent need to be changed or "fixed".
It is interesting that you have pulled out these players as they have different shifts in their swing. Daly is a triple shift player , Furyk and Traveno have loops.
I am interested in how a good coach determines which of the options is right for each student. mikestloc is double shift , Tom Bartlett is a single shift both are taught by Brian. There must be something about a persons makeup that determines which plane angle variation is right for that person. I want to find out more about this. I asked David Laville G.S.E.M. the same question on FGI
hue
"What are the give aways that a coach is looking for that determine whether a player should be a single or double shift player? Thanks
TGM ( David Laville)
"You have finally asked a question I cannot answer."
"Some stuff is just individualistic and unorthodox and works like a charm...and it dosent need to be changed or "fixed".
I agree doing this drill has proved it to me.
"Hue....have some backbone...if its working well for you continue"
It was not. That is why I posted the question in the way I did so as not to influence the answers . I would love Brian to answer the question that David had difficulty with. As you point out
"Some stuff is just individualistic "
"John Daly, Jim Furyk, Lee Trevino, Jack Nicklaus, Jim Thorpe, or Julie Inkster, or Nancy Lopez, or Rickey Barnes, etc, etc, etc. Some stuff is just individualistic and unorthodox and works like a charm...and it dosent need to be changed or "fixed".
It is interesting that you have pulled out these players as they have different shifts in their swing. Daly is a triple shift player , Furyk and Traveno have loops.
I am interested in how a good coach determines which of the options is right for each student. mikestloc is double shift , Tom Bartlett is a single shift both are taught by Brian. There must be something about a persons makeup that determines which plane angle variation is right for that person. I want to find out more about this. I asked David Laville G.S.E.M. the same question on FGI
hue
"What are the give aways that a coach is looking for that determine whether a player should be a single or double shift player? Thanks
TGM ( David Laville)
"You have finally asked a question I cannot answer."
"Some stuff is just individualistic and unorthodox and works like a charm...and it dosent need to be changed or "fixed".
I agree doing this drill has proved it to me.
"Hue....have some backbone...if its working well for you continue"
It was not. That is why I posted the question in the way I did so as not to influence the answers . I would love Brian to answer the question that David had difficulty with. As you point out
"Some stuff is just individualistic "
The drill works for 'some' because it gets the right elbow\forearm back in place for a decent downswing.... a better 'loop' for most slicers and over the top folks to feel - getting the right elbow to 'go for a ride' on the right hip, and the right forearm to 'extend' from the inside
that said, I don't care for this one at all, as it causes a number of nasty backswing problems, and a 'bounce' of the right elbow off the right side - makes the swing much more complicated than it needs to be. The right 'hip to hip' idea in 'feel', but not in 'motion'
that said, I don't care for this one at all, as it causes a number of nasty backswing problems, and a 'bounce' of the right elbow off the right side - makes the swing much more complicated than it needs to be. The right 'hip to hip' idea in 'feel', but not in 'motion'
EaglesNest
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All the players listed have one thing in common, they excelled in applying force to the golf ball. Teachers who teach purely how to best apply these forces will excel in teaching. That's what I like about TGM and it's instructors there is no bull****.
Hue...you need to find other ways to shift plane on the downswing.There are many ways to do it.Keep your back facing the target,lower the plane of your left arm,etc.Faldo has a complicated way described in his book which you might want to try.
Just because Dunigans drill didn't work for you doesn't mean a double shift downswing is not suited.Dunigans drill can lead to coming down too under plane.
He thinks his swing compares to Hogan,but Hogans downswing is not as under plane as his.
Just because Dunigans drill didn't work for you doesn't mean a double shift downswing is not suited.Dunigans drill can lead to coming down too under plane.
He thinks his swing compares to Hogan,but Hogans downswing is not as under plane as his.
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