What "holds" the lag angle?

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bcoak

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I may have been confused on what holds the lag angle coming down.
I know you are supposed to feel it in pp#3, which I interpreted to mean that lag is held/stored from the top of the downswing by keeping the angle in your wrists (BRW/FLW) and felt in pp3. So to store the angle you need to concentrate on holding the wrist angle.

Thinking about this more I am wondering if this sequence is more correct:
* Right shoulder moves down plane and stores/holds the lag that was loaded in the backswing and holds the angle of the bent right arm
* The angle of the right arm stays the same (or increases) which holds (or increases) the angle of the wrists.
* The angle of the wrists holds (or increases) the angle of the club.
* This storage of lag is then felt in pp3.

So all in all, lag is stored/held starting from the right shoulder down and out to the club. PP#3 is feeling the lag pressure of the above sequence, esp. holding the lag being stored by the right shoulder going down plane.
Correct?
 
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Jim Kobylinski

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A proper pivot, a lack of interference from the hands or arms (or as i like to say just "holding on"), axis tilt, straight line path of the hands, an on plane right shoulder, an on plane clubshaft.

If you do all that i wrote above you should have damn close to a maximum trigger delay. I'll do my best to incorporate that explanation into my video this weekend.
 
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Brian Manzella

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Whoa Nellie....

One thing at a time:

"...you are supposed to feel it in pp#3, which I interpreted to mean that lag is held/stored from the top of the downswing by keeping the angle in your wrists (BRW/FLW) and felt in pp3. So to store the angle you need to concentrate on holding the wrist angle."​

No.

You should never TRY to "hold any angle."

You can "semi-freeze" your bent right wrist, or down arch you left wrist just before impact, which will retain the IDEAL IMPACT ALIGMENTS, but will not, assure you that any LAG PRESSURE is retained.

"Semi-freezing" your bent right wrist, or down arching you left wrist just before impact will have very little to do with STORING "Accumulator Lag" alignments, which are the out conditions of:
#1. The bent right arm
#2. The cocked left wrist
#3. The turned left hand
#4. The left arm across the chest​

What actually STORES the accumulators is PRESSURE from all four Pressure Points, driven by the Pivot, and assisted by SPEED, GRAVITY and SHAFT STRESS.

I'll explain in a moment.

First, I'll try to make sense of your assumptions.

"...I am wondering if this sequence (of the following bulleted items) is more correct:
• Right shoulder moves down plane and stores/holds the lag that was loaded in the backswing and holds the angle of the bent right arm"​

The Right Shoulder is driven by the WHOLE PIVOT, people tend to forget this. I heard another instructor say to swing "like you are standing on ice." That may the worse advice ever, and I am DAMN SURE any scientist like Mandrin/Grober/Zick or any good bio-mechanist could make minced meat of that goofy statement. Of course you could tell a good player to do that, and they'd use the ground anyway.

The Pressure is LOADED on the right arm, but only specific aligments will retain any angle. The rest of the Accumulators will start to "dump their load" when the clubhead gets on the opposite side of the target ("outside the hands") on the downstroke.

"• The angle of the right arm stays the same (or increases) which holds (or increases) the angle of the wrists."​

The pressure AT the #1 Pressure Point will tend to DECREASE the angle at the Left Wrist eventually.

"• The angle of the wrists holds (or increases) the angle of the club."​

A very particular movement of the right arm, may assist in the DOWN-COCKING, but after that, it will CAUSE THE RELEASE if allowed to.

"• This storage of lag is then felt in pp3."​

I feel #3 from the very first move down.

"So all in all, lag is stored/held starting from the right shoulder down and out to the club."​

No.

It starts from the feet.

"PP#3 is feeling the lag pressure of the above sequence, esp. holding the lag being stored by the right shoulder going down plane."

No.

The #3 Pressure Point feels the attempt of the WHOLE LEFT ARM Flying Wedge trying to roll to vertical. A point once missed even by a book literalist when asked. This "attempt of the WHOLE LEFT ARM Flying Wedge trying to roll to vertical," IS the #3 Accumulator.

But becuase the #3 Pressure Point is "behind the clubhead" on the back side of the grip, it will also feel the resitance of the clubhead to change in direction.

:)
 
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eddielaw

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Brian Manzella said:
One thing at a time:

[INDENT
You should never TRY to "hold any angle."

You can "semi-freeze" your bent right wrist, or down arch you left wrist just before impact, which will retain the IDEAL IMPACT ALIGMENTS, but will not, assure you that any LAG PRESSURE is retained.

:)
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So if I work on solely... keeping these angles thru impact, I can destroy the lag pressure and ruin or decel the release interval?!
 
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Bigwill

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"The #3 Pressure Point feels the attempt of the WHOLE LEFT ARM Flying Wedge trying to roll to vertical. A point once missed even by a book literalist when asked. This "attempt of the WHOLE LEFT ARM Flying Wedge trying to roll to vertical," IS the #3 Accumulator."

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Does this mean that you're trying to roll the left arm from the top of the swing, and that the pivot is what maintains the left arm's position until impact?
 
bcoak

bcoak

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Thanks Brian. A lot to digest. That was definatly a GSED answer.
Could someone list all four pressure points as well as the accumulators?
 
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Brian Manzella

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Hey Florida Pro!

You are correct.

But, if you wish, I will wow you with my ability to make it digestable or the other 99%...

Here goes....

People talk a lot about "delaying the hit" or something like that. You should never TRY to "hold any angle." You make a non-stop swing from the top to the finish.

You may find that feeling like your right wrist bend backward on the backswing and stays that way through the hit. Hit down on the ball with the heel of the right hand.

When you make a backswing you bend the right arm. On the downswing your straighten it like throwing a punch. Remember, when you connect with a good punch, the arm is still bent at impact. Feel like this bent rightarm is UNDER the left arm when you are hitting it.

Try to form an "L" with your left arm and the club as you go back. As you do this feel like your glove logo is twistd a bit away from your vision. Remeber that feel.

On the downswing keep you right palm away from you, like drilling a basketball on a wall to the right of you, then on the floor in front of you, then on a wall to the left of you.

Treat your arm as is were totally dead, just hanging there. Make a swing to hit the crap out of someone or something with that dead arm. If you move your body just right, you could knock someone out—or over.

Try to have your right forefinger down the shaft a bit like pulling the trigger on a gun. Feel that hooked finger behind the shaft? Good. On the backswing swing the club INTO this triggered finger, on the downswing PULL THE CLUB DOWN and THROUGH the ball with your gut muscles, and feel that trigger finger getting bent back from the force that creates. Try to amintain that heavy forefinger getting dragged feeling through the ball.

You should feel the backswing start in the feet. You should feel the downswing start in the feet. You should feel your feet controlling the speed and tepo of the swing.

Make sure your left palm rotates UP through the shot, like you are trying to catch raindrops.

:D

How's that, Pal?
 
birdie_man

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BMAN said:
On the downswing keep you right palm away from you, like drilling a basketball on a wall to the right of you, then on the floor in front of you, then on a wall to the left of you.
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Didn't get this at first (and haven't really gotten it before when you've written it out).....but......

TwistAWAY!! (got it in coconut now)

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BTW.......don't know if I'm taking this the right way....but IF together- dribbling on the wall to the left isn't compatible with catching raindrops............Brian.....

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.....oh ya baby.......picking apart Brian Manzella...........Paul's on the up.......

:D
 
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bts

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bcoak said:
I may have been confused on what holds the lag angle coming down.
I know you are supposed to feel it in pp#3, which I interpreted to mean that lag is held/stored from the top of the downswing by keeping the angle in your wrists (BRW/FLW) and felt in pp3. So to store the angle you need to concentrate on holding the wrist angle.

Thinking about this more I am wondering if this sequence is more correct:
* Right shoulder moves down plane and stores/holds the lag that was loaded in the backswing and holds the angle of the bent right arm
* The angle of the right arm stays the same (or increases) which holds (or increases) the angle of the wrists.
* The angle of the wrists holds (or increases) the angle of the club.
* This storage of lag is then felt in pp3.

So all in all, lag is stored/held starting from the right shoulder down and out to the club. PP#3 is feeling the lag pressure of the above sequence, esp. holding the lag being stored by the right shoulder going down plane.
Correct?
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Acceleration against the club holds the angle.
 
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