What I have learned about to & through the ball.

[Brian Manzella]

1. The clubface just doesn't rotate anywhere NEAR as much as anyone thought. Nobody can even Horizontal Hinge on purpose, and that isn't that much rotation. Lots of near "vertical hinge action" happening in some really pretty good golf swings.

2. The ball is on the face less than .75 on most shots, and because of this small amount of time & distance, the clubface isn't even mathematically going to close more than about a quarter of a degree. But, since the ball is hit low on the face with irons, and the club's gear effect sort of delofts the club around the ball, this "wrap down" move slows this minimal rotation even more.

3. You have to swing about 10° left on a 60° wedge shot to hit the ball straight with a square face.

4. You better get your lie angles perfect, and find some clubs you can hit in the sweetspot or you are pissing into the wind.

5. There is no heavy hit, but you HAVE TO hit down on the ball if it is not teed up. So, you better know how to aim your swing and face to get the D-Plane right, or you will be swimming.

 

[jenhaoyen]

Brian,

I was working on my shots today and thinking about how to hit through the ball. Instead of right shoulder down or left shoulder back I just turn my core (upperbody) through the ball, and I felt like it was much easier then focusing on hitting it with my shoulder down. I think about turning my chest through. However, in softdraw I'm supposed to let my arm swing across my chest. I'm just alil bit confused and wanting to know if i'm doing the right thing.

 

[tongzilla]

1. The clubface just doesn't rotate anywhere NEAR as much as anyone thought. Nobody can even Horizontal Hinge on purpose, and that isn't that much rotation. Lots of near "vertical hinge action" happening in some really pretty good golf swings.

Ok, we've established this fact. Let's talk about clubface position at follow through. These are vastly different across great ball strikers. Some have their clubface turned over a lot or very little at this point. What effect does this have on their ballstriking?

 

[birdie_man]

I love this stuff.

It's basically the "bottom line."

 

[BurnItUp]

Brian,

In The Brian Manzella Golf Show -episode 1 you say that when you were producing a perfectly straight path and a dead square club face that the ball was going left to left.

In light of your recent discovery, how do you explain this phenomenon?

 

[pecky987]

my guess - from the golfers perspective, attempting to hit the exact back of the ball with a dead square clubface will actually result in a slight outside-in path and slightly closed clubface.

when i very first saw that first show, my thoughts were "heres another crank who thinks he knows how the golf swing works. 3 DEGREES of rotation though impact!?!?! wat a loonn. lets look somewhere else..."

i suppose you're alowed to be wrong occasionally

 

[Brian Manzella]

Brian,

I was working on my shots today and thinking about how to hit through the ball. Instead of right shoulder down or left shoulder back I just turn my core (upperbody) through the ball, and I felt like it was much easier then focusing on hitting it with my shoulder down. I think about turning my chest through. However, in softdraw I'm supposed to let my arm swing across my chest. I'm just alil bit confused and wanting to know if i'm doing the right thing.

You are NOT supposed to swing your right arm across your chest right at impact.

That happens PAST impact.

In "Soft Draw" you do it earlier than, let's say, "Never Hook Again."

Turning your core is probably a great idea for you.

 

[Brian Manzella]

Ok, we've established this fact. Let's talk about clubface position at follow through. These are vastly different across great ball strikers. Some have their clubface turned over a lot or very little at this point. What effect does this have on their ballstriking?

A bunch!

They are PREPARING to whatever motion they make PAST the ball.

 

[niblick1]

How do you get a sense of what 10 degrees left means in practical terms - 10 yards left of target on 100 yard shot, 20 yards?

 

[KOC]

Brian,

In The Brian Manzella Golf Show -episode 1 you say that when you were producing a perfectly straight path and a dead square club face that the ball was going left to left.

In light of your recent discovery, how do you explain this phenomenon?

Kind of "The Biggest Lie Ever Told in Golf Instruction History"

 

[Brian Manzella]

Kind of "The Biggest Lie Ever Told in Golf Instruction History"

NO!

Believe it or not, I was correct. For the wrong reason. But I was correct.

KOC, let's see how much I've taught you.


Why was I right?

 

[dannyc]

NO!

Believe it or not, I was correct. For the wrong reason. But I was correct.

KOC, let's see how much I've taught you.


Why was I right?

because you gotta aim left a little with a descending blow...

 

[Kevin Shields]

You hit the back of the ball with a square face but slightly downward still making the face closed to the path.

 

[birdie_man]

Brian,

In The Brian Manzella Golf Show -episode 1 you say that when you were producing a perfectly straight path and a dead square club face that the ball was going left to left.

In light of your recent discovery, how do you explain this phenomenon?

I forgot about that.

It wasn't cause the ball needs to be impacted with an open face after all...

Neat...

 

[KOC]

Sorry Brian, I just can’t keep up the speed learning from you. But one thing for sure I am not a book literalists…I always have questions on the book. Regarding Hinging, I learnt from you inside paid version Video 1-4 as well as other TGM Instructors.

The book stated "Roll" is actually imparted by the turning torso and/or the orbiting Arms and NOT an actual "Roll" of the Hands.

I still don't understand....When I saw you and I did on range, the so-called feeling of full roll, no roll and reverse roll did make the ball flight differences…. With the clip I made, what is your opinion if the golfer intentionally did something like “vertical hinging” and the clubface direction?


[media]http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=mEp0yAj7IYQ[/media]

 

[burners]

NO!

Believe it or not, I was correct. For the wrong reason. But I was correct.

KOC, let's see how much I've taught you.


Why was I right?

I'm very interested in this answer. (And BTW, you've taught me a lot.)

If you were hitting a mid or short iron, I like Kevin's D-Plane answer.

 

[mjstrong]

How do you get a sense of what 10 degrees left means in practical terms - 10 yards left of target on 100 yard shot, 20 yards?

17.5 yards by my calculations.

 

[burners]

I made my guess...

NO!

Believe it or not, I was correct. For the wrong reason. But I was correct.

KOC, let's see how much I've taught you.


Why was I right?

Brian, went back and watched the video. My guess is still the same. Would like to know why you were right (sure I speak for others too). Thanks.