What I think Tiger should have done after the round

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lia41985

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Tiger's been working hard, took a big step forward winning at Bay Hill but took a step back today. He was wound so tight today I'm surprised he didn't react even more boorishly on the back.
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I wish I could have heard what Jimenez told him on 18--looked like some genuine words of encouragement that Tiger appreciated.
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If I were Tiger, I would have put myself out there, asked Miguel if he had any plans for the night, and if not, grab a steak, cigar, and a few bottles of red and to just talk about life and about Miguel's round and his swing keys/feels. It was unbelievable to see the contrast between these two the last couple of days. Jimenez looks so comfortable in his skin and yet still focused and engaged on the shot at hand. Tiger was wound way too tight. And how about the difference in physique? I wonder if it burns Tiger that a smoker with a huge gut beat his brains by 6 shots. If you've read "Big Miss" and remember Haney's discussion about Tiger being intrigued by O'Meara's ability to play those non-overly spinny, lowish-soft draws--yeah, I think the last two days was that times 130 something :) Miguel's practice swings are also something I would study-no over exaggerations, just something to stretch out the muscles. Tiger's "carry" move isn't helping him avoid the pulls. Tiger could learn from Miguel the right way to swing left.
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With your practice swing, Tiger, try to just create some rhythm and quit tugging!

Tiger hits the ball "solid" now, but "solid" doesn't necessarily get the ball close. I think he's lost his ability to shape the ball as much as he used to with Haney and his iron game shows it--worse distance control and a harder time getting at different flags. I'm sure he can zero-out about a million balls in a row on Trackman but that ain't golf and at Augusta, it's definitely not enough.
 
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lia41985

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Jared,
He was driving it wildly with Hank but his iron play was definitely considered the best on tour during that time. I don't think Hank was mistaken to think that there was something about getting "across" that was particularly problematic for Tiger given his tendency to tug. What was interesting in "The Big Miss" was when Haney divulged that while Tiger was still working with Butch, around 1999, that it was Haney, and not Harmon, that showed Tiger how to achieve a better top of the swing position. Watch about 10 seconds of this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKYIkUBeYrU#t=5m57s
 
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coach

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Just curious what was it that Haney showed him, and how did that "better" top of swing position, translate to better impact ?
 

coach

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He was getting too under plane with Haney. He looked to be too steep today.

That appears to be the stock answer, but what plane was he under ? And how does that plane he was under make it the plane that he was suppose to be on ?
 
That appears to be the stock answer, but what plane was he under ? And how does that plane he was under make it the plane that he was suppose to be on ?

Yes, they are somewhat vague terms and hard to quantify.

Using the torque terms discussed by Nesbit, I would say being "too under plane" is having too much negative beta torque or not enough positive beta torque for too long into the downswing? Being "too steep" is having too much beta torque to start the downswing or not enough negative beta torque?
 
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Damon Lucas

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Lia, Tiger gets hammered for being a fake, yet he should suddenly adopt Jimenez's demeanor? He had a couple of average rounds, punctuated by really poor putting today - 4,6,8,9, and a golf swing that didn't work these past two days, and the armchair experts come sauntering out, again! Bring on the weekend!
 

lia41985

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Damon,
I didn't say that Tiger was fake or that he should adopt Jimenez's demeanor. If you're okay with his behavior on the course because that's the "real" Tiger, that's fine, but I'm fairly certain most people will agree with me, certainly the Augusta membership, that his behavior is out of line. He's had two awful ball striking rounds with a bad round of putting today. He's struggled with his putting at Augusta since 2006. Old news. The guy has been working with the same instructor for two years, keeps over exaggerating the same feel, and now the criticism is coming from "armchair experts"? So when Tiger kept reverse swiveling his finishes and hitting more than 7 and less than 18 greens with Hank what was it then? You guys hammered Hank. Be consistent.
 
Tiger, I once ran a marathon backwards just to see what second place looked like...

I don't always drink beer, but when I do...

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Totally amateur opinion here but I think Tiger's new swing makes it tough for him to hit a draw. And I'll bet he spent a lot of time trying to do just that getting ready for the Masters and it messed him up a bit.
 

Dariusz J.

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I second beer -- but definitely 2 bottles of strong one instead 4 bottles of lager, 50 ml vodka just before going to bed and deep sleep.
Moreover, forgetting all BS his coach said and play his game, nothing conscious at all. Patiently and conservatively.

Aha, and declaring paying voluntarily some good amount of money and apologizing openly (even on the 1st tee aloud !) for his immature boorish behaviour before commitee forces him to do so. Smile more to people. Healed soul can make wonders.

For those who are astonished I am giving a good advice from the depth of my heart to Woods -- we have Easter !

Happy Easter everyone !

Cheers
 
When a Professional misses a stock 144 yd 9 iron by 25yds and a stock 4 iron by 20 yds.... its time to do the Jimenez drink,smoke and go back to chasing women at least when he was with 100 women he won!!!!!!!!!!

That could go down as the worse display of anger,attitude and completely lost of how to hit a golf ball in the history of the Masters ... he makes Tommy Bolt look like a angel.
 
His post round interview on GC was the closest I've ever seen to him being honest. No BS about being close or just missing his lines or getting a lot out of a bad round. He acknowleged how bad he played. No teacher in the world could help him between last night and today. He's got to dig it out for himself today and tomorrow and you know he won't stop trying. I doubt he has a chance this weekend b/c he doesn't have enough time to get from thinking swing to thinking "ball go there."

BTW, someone should tell him the online coverage has microphones on the tees. A nice "g-d it" and "shit" clearly came out on 13. The club kick on 16 was a joke. I know, I've said worse, but no kids were watching. As the father of 10 and 13 year olds who hear just as much about the etiquette of the game and sportsmanship from me, the most covered player just can't do stuff like that.
 
Tiger, I once ran a marathon backwards just to see what second place looked like...

I don't always drink beer, but when I do...

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As always sir..........a gem. Pure friggin' genius! I think they should let you commentate for some golf tournaments. At least then we would get something entertaining out of the announcers.
 

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Like Bubba said I think Tiger needs to go out and play golf. He is wound to tight. With all the Trackman work he has done and knowledge of the D-Plane he has, the work done with "world class" instructors, but most importantly the experience he has, he should be able to play fricken golf and hit shots. Stop thinking and start doing
 

btp

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I don't know if Tiger can swing without somebody behind him analyzing each shot. Why does he need a supervised practice session before and after every round.

Everyone could see how frustrated he was yesterday, not being able to control the ball. He will probably shoot 66 today, but I agree he needs to play golf and forget the swing for a while. He played on one leg and won a US Open. I doubt he was thinking about mechanics at that event.

Andy North had some good comments about Tiger's preparation and he should play in the Par 3 contest to get the edge off.
 
I second beer -- but definitely 2 bottles of strong one instead 4 bottles of lager, 50 ml vodka just before going to bed and deep sleep.
Moreover, forgetting all BS his coach said and play his game, nothing conscious at all. Patiently and conservatively.

Aha, and declaring paying voluntarily some good amount of money and apologizing openly (even on the 1st tee aloud !) for his immature boorish behaviour before commitee forces him to do so. Smile more to people. Healed soul can make wonders.

For those who are astonished I am giving a good advice from the depth of my heart to Woods -- we have Easter !

Happy Easter everyone !

Cheers

Generous post D.

Beer, vodka and this ...

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