What should I do with people who try to disrupt...

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EdZ

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Do an IP check, you can probably figure some info out from that. You can also block IP's if/when needed.
 
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matt

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Check IPs, and when people start posting on different names from the same IP...ban them. All this time spent nonsensical debate with the likes of the newest alias detracts from real golf discussion.
 
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Brian Manzella

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This guy's ip address (an example) is like:

23.345.24.156
then it's
23.345.27.568
then
23.345.90.125

The first two are always the same, but the other numbers change.

Is this a "ip randomizer" service or something like that?
 
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comdpa

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quote:Originally posted by brianman

...this site.

We all know of a couple of people who have done this.

I'll do whatever the "membership" wants me to do.
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Brian, the problem you will face with these nuts is that when you block them, they will say something like: "Manzella represses our right to contribute because he is afraid of us and cannot back up what he says."

BUT on the other hand, we the membership also deserve to have a conducive environment in which to study G.O.L.F. Since you are the moderator, guess you could use your discretion to boot these guys out when they try to post something silly, i.e. you hit the driver on the upswing!? Geez

Justin
 
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Jim Cook

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It's your site ..... Dump'em and dump'em fast.

To run properly everyone must realize this site is run by a benevolent dictator. Your goal is to inform the membership about the golfing machine and your methods and techniques.

If someone wants to argue (different from asking a question) then tell him to start his own site. No further questions, no further argument, done... out the door.

Don't tell him twice, don't ask us, just close the door on him.
 
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Dr_J

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The only reason they come is because people respond to them...respond to them passionately. Thats what they get off on, getting others riled. If everyone would just ignore them, they would leave and go elsewhere. As long as we fight with them, they will continue to haunt the site under one name/IP address or another.
 
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Mathew

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quote:Originally posted by brianman

This guy's ip address (an example) is like:

23.345.24.156
then it's
23.345.27.568
then
23.345.90.125

The first two are always the same, but the other numbers change.

Is this a "ip randomizer" service or something like that?
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No he is part of a network segment owned by his ISP for his area and like most users doesn't have a static IP. ISP's do this because it actually costs them money to own the addresses and not all users are online at the same time so they dynamically assign IP addresses.

You don't understand that these Ip addresses are based in the base 2 (binary) number system and what defines the subnet is the subnet mask. The subnet mask defines this area because the computer does a boolean operation on the bits it says are network portion (1s) and the host range (0s)

I likely subnet mask would be based on the three IP's given would be 255.255.127.0

When blocking through hardware routers you usually use something called an inverse(or wildcard) mask..... which defines the bits which are allowed (0's) or disallowed (1's).

If you find this is the case I would block with

00000000.00000000.011111111.11111111

decimal (base 10)

0.0.127.255

as this would cover the range of 23.345.0.1 to 23.345.127.254
 
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bsbsbs

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The ip's won't be consistent unless you pay for a static ip (like if you were into gaming) tracking it to a ISP is about as good as your going to do. I don't post much here but I really enjoy reading and learning maybe will even have the funds to visit the master myself one day, but I hate it when you lose 1 or 2 weeks of good stuff because one person is creating such a commotion not just diverting your energy and attention, but everyone elses. It creates unneccesary confusion. Debate is one thing, this is attempted sabotage.

I should have typed less and just said I agree with Jim.
 
mgjordan

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I think you should ban people when they try to disrupt, not because of their ideas and opinions. It is clear that TGMManMachine doesn't want to learn, educate, or debate. He wants to argue. Arguement gets nobody anywhere because they won't admit when they are wrong, nor will they look at the information presented and try to be logical. They are of the opinion that they are right and nothing will change their opinion. I suggest you give him one more chance to change, or explain himself, and if not, ban him. If you can't even register honestly, you don't want to contribute.
 
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hue

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When a poster pushes it to the point that you run out of options. You have no option other than to ban.
 
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Vaako

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It's not what should, it's what you must do.

When the DVDs go out we can expect a bunch of newbies coming in. And most of them won't probably appreciate the finer points of conversation w/ the visiting stars.

Then - at the latest - you have to turn this board into a standard discussion board; emailing out passwords, exact guidelines & active moderation. I'm affraid the free for all era is coming to its end.

And that has noting to do with current crop of trolling efforts.

Besides, when people called TGMM Horton he just said no. When somebody asked if he was Mandarin - presto - out cames Mandarin with a really carefully crafted post saying nothing. Explicitly so TGMM can talk to himself in order to "confirm" separate identities. About as clear a way to sign your identity as there is.

Problem with Mandarin is that he got the stigma of scientific fraud - not as a simple slur from an opponent - but thru his own actions. And dropping this hammer can really hurt, just think about the implications.

But be as it may - whatever others feel is right, I'm cool w/ it.


Vaako
 
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Vaako

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quote:Originally posted by Mathew


as this would cover the range of 23.345.0.1 to 23.345.127.254
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Just an afterthought - before doing anything like this, remember to check you're not blocking out all connections from an area like the greater Atlanta metropolitan area.
 
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kpainter

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Since most ISP's use DHCP (assign IP addresses dynamically) I think you run the risk of accidently preventing other people from accessing the forum if you block based on part of an IP address (subnet, etc.). I know posts can be removed...is there some way that you set this up with the forum software to automatically remove posts from someone that has been banned? This way if you identify someone then all their posts would be removed every evening...if this happens reguraly I think they would get tired of these long posts they write that are just being removed at the end of the day anyway.

Even if the re-register as another ID, once they are identified for what they are they can be re-banned. I agree with mgjordan (Matt) that they enjoy just stirring the pot and arguing...not debating. As Moma always said "If you ignore them they do eventually go away". I think responding back to them just fuels them to stir the pot even more.

With that said Brian, I definitely think you need to hit up on the driver to maximize distance and accuracy. (Just kidding!!! -- Don't ban me from the site!).

Keith
 
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wanole

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Just my opinion, but I moderate another site and what I do is if they become disruptive I give them an email warning (in this case fake email means instant ban). If they fail to heed the email warning and continue then I ban them. There are a lot of nuts out there, but they will only be so persistant. You may have to ban a few times but they will go elsewhere.

Plus, folks need to quit biting their bait. Ignore them and they will get bored. Especially you Brian. :) They continually draw you in to their debate and get you riled up so in a sense you are adding fuel to their fire. I am not trying to tell you how to run your site, just some observations and some advise after dealing with people like this for 8 yrs.

Hope this helps.

Joe
 
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