What the club looks like on a 0° path by a PGA Tour Player "3 balls" from impact

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Not sure what others think, but on my screen that image is extremely blurry. I think a clarification of what it means is in order.
 

Jim Kobylinski

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Not sure what others think, but on my screen that image is extremely blurry. I think a clarification of what it means is in order.

I think brian is trying to show how "in line" the club is with the ball as eyefish suggested.

However, the iron used and the full specs would be useful i think. Brian can you provide the data?
 
Cool; looks like the flat, straight spot starts at least that far in front of the ball.

I'd be even more interested in knowing: What was the Horizontal Face number at impact for this shot? The HFace appears to be square 3 balls in front of impact.
 
Then by definition they can also go strongly to the right whilst the ch stays on line, no? If not why not?

By "straight" do you mean square?
 
Could be. Just wondering if there is another explanation as I am sceptical of the whole idea of "swinging left". Call me crazy...
 
Then by definition they can also go strongly to the right whilst the ch stays on line, no? If not why not?

By "straight" do you mean square?

wulsy - the way I see this, the clubhead goes down and right as the hands release, all the way to the shaft being vertical. You flatten out or offset the resulting curved clubhead path with a handpath that moves left and up through impact.

If that's true, then I suppose you could create a flatspot in the clubhead arc the way you suggest - but it would occur after impact:)
 

TeeAce

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Then by definition they can also go strongly to the right whilst the ch stays on line, no? If not why not?

By "straight" do you mean square?

I haven't seen one that way and I don't got idea how it should work. I know well how wrists and arms are working when hands ho low and left and ch stays on line and square, but hands going right I've seen only opening or closing face.
 
Thanks birly and Tee.

Tee: if I understand your comments correctly, there CAN be a straight line delivery when the hands are moving "right" but it always has resulted in your observations in a opening or closing face?
 

TeeAce

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Thanks birly and Tee.

Tee: if I understand your comments correctly, there CAN be a straight line delivery when the hands are moving "right" but it always has resulted in your observations in a opening or closing face?

I haven't seen any good players hands going (lefties for sure) but I have seen them going straight or left. Those who go straight usually can't keep the face square and on line according those who go left. It sounds strange, but there is quite strong correlation about that in measurements and also laws of geometry supports that.

It's easiest to find when chipping with sand wedge. You try it and quite soon You notice what kind of wrist action is needed for that. Hands go left but the face stays weak, straight and on line.
 

TeeAce

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Cupping/bending/dorsiflexion of the left wrist, right?

Hmm.. if I get it right, I think it's (left forearm and wrist) Pronation (anatomic term, not Hogans) and ulnar deviation. I think not either dorsi or palmar flexion effects that much there. It's so complicated when everything is moving, but at least supination is out of counts in that move. I even feel I do nothing and it still stays like that :)
 
Yep that's what I meant: didn't want to use pronation as a term as it's true meaning anatomically is so poorly understood.
 

TeeAce

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Simple way to say it is that You rotate the face as much open with arms You can, and close it with Your body as much You can. Opposite circles.
 
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