When Do or Should both arms straighten?

Status
Not open for further replies.
T

Tom Bartlett

Administrator
Another observation.

Brian has always said that the hips stop at some point in the downswing. I have noticed this and also notice that they continue their turn after the shoulders pass them up. I have also noticed that the arms are both straight at the point when the hips and shoulders match. The further the hips open before they stop the further past the ball you "can" have both arms straight (Trevino, Duval). But, you can always "do something" to cut it short.[8D]
 
J

Jim Kobylinski

Super Moderator
quote:Originally posted by Tom Bartlett

The further the hips open before they stop the further past the ball you "can" have both arms straight (Trevino, Duval).
Click to expand...

Can you expand on this a little for me?

Thanks
 
T

Tom Bartlett

Administrator
Look at my signature photo. My hips got to that point and stopped. My shoulders "match" my hips and both arms are straight. They (arms) weren't straight until this moment. My hips had gotten to this point just before impact. By the way the hips can stop and the left leg can still straighten afterwards.
 
M

MizunoJoe

New
quote:Originally posted by Tom Bartlett

I have also noticed that the arms are both straight at the point when the hips and shoulders match. The further the hips open before they stop the further past the ball you "can" have both arms straight (Trevino, Duval). But, you can always "do something" to cut it short.[8D]
Click to expand...

John Holmes "does something", because he has both arms straight at impact, just as Bobby Schaeffer does.

http://members.cox.net/12-1-0/JBHolmes.htm
 
B

bray

New
Mizunojoe,

This is an interesting obserservation are you saying that John Holmes and Schaeffer are at a follow through position when compressing the ball????

I would love to hear more on this.

Sorting Through the Instructor's Textbook.

B-Ray
 
M

MizunoJoe

New
quote:Originally posted by bray

Mizunojoe,

This is an interesting obserservation are you saying that John Holmes and Schaeffer are at a follow through position when compressing the ball????

I would love to hear more on this.

Sorting Through the Instructor's Textbook.

B-Ray
Click to expand...

Look at the photos/videos - they don't lie. I think this requires a level of strength and wrist flexibility that separate them from all others. In the real world, the right elbow should be bent at impact.
 
C

cdog

New
This just shows how we interpret diferently, i see the pics and dont see his arm straight at impact, the ball is already gone from the ground.
 
R

roll - gybe

New member
i'm no expert, but what Mizuno Joe says is interesting to me. I have a friend who is the same size and shape as Holmes. He also has a very similar swing, and he kills the ball. Absolutely kills it. During the last round of the FBR, I called him to ask him if he was watching. He said,"yeah, I think I'm on tv."

He is always talking about about arriving at impact with both arms straight. Who knows what's really going on, but an interesting coincidence...
 
M

MizunoJoe

New
quote:Originally posted by cdog

This just shows how we interpret diferently, i see the pics and dont see his arm straight at impact, the ball is already gone from the ground.
Click to expand...

http://homepage.mac.com/brianmanzella/.Movies/jbandjd.mov

I thought someone would make that "interpretion" - step through impact in this video - at the frame just before contact, his right arm is just as straight as in the following frames, all the way to the "normal" both arms straight location.
 
M

MizunoJoe

New
quote:Originally posted by roll - gybe

Who knows what's really going on
Click to expand...

Anyone can see that it's straight at impact. He proves that it's OK as long as the hands keep moving through impact, so that the straight right arm doesn't slow down the clubhead and cushion the ball instead of compressing it.

The analysts focused on the hips, but the real eye catcher with Holmes is how through impact, his shoulder plane is so steep that it is well INSIDE the target line. Well past separation the shoulder line in on the plane line, meaning that the left shoulder is on-plane. This takes unbelievable flexibility and is something he won't be able to do as he gets older.
 
T

Tom Bartlett

Administrator
No, his right arm is bent at impact (about to post another slow-mo) and his right shoulder travels directly down plane like it should.
 
M

MizunoJoe

New
quote:Originally posted by Tom Bartlett

No, his right arm is bent at impact (about to post another slow-mo) and his right shoulder travels directly down plane like it should.
Click to expand...

What about this video? And the still shots already posted? And, by the way, his right shoulder is moving down, but not downplane - it's steeper and pointing inside the plane line.

This reminds me of Lynn Blake arguing that Daly has a level right wrist at the End, when every photo showed it to be cocked. He kept looking for one that supported what he wanted to be true.
 
B

Brian Manzella

Administrator
Here ya go, Joe...

jbcrooked.jpg
 
M

MizunoJoe

New
Brian,

I posted a link to that earlier - Your yellow lines aren't in the direction the arm is pointing and are too steep. The arm is at a different angle in each photo, and also, the hand roll has happened in the 2nd, and the view is of the back of the arm.
 
tongzilla

tongzilla

New
Right arm looks bent at Impact to me.

If it's straight at Impact, then it's even more straight at Follow Through.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top