When to "release" the club? including a "Finish Swivel Primer" by Brian Manzella

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When to "release" the club? including a "Finish Swivel Primer" by Brian Manzella

Hi All,

This is my first post. I just finished watching Confession.. Flipper and I understand the concept and have been working diligently to compress the ball. However, the video does not cover what to do after hitting the low compressed shots with the hands forward. I know I'm supposed to try to get the club as far away from my left ear after impact but getting there from the hands forward position is my problem. Do I just roll my right hand over or do I try to keep the face facing the target longer? Any help, guidance, tip, drill would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

Jay
 

Brian Manzella

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Finish Swivel Primer by Brian Manzella

Ok Brian,

I get it. Mash the ball with a forward leaning shaft, and a flat—or slightly arched—left wrist and a bent right wrist.

But when do I "release" the club?
"The only time I release the club, is when I give it to my caddie." —Bentley J. Doyle

Ben was right, of course. You never "release," i.e. "let go" of the club, until after the swing. You actually release your Accumulators or Power Generating ANGLES:
1. The Bent Right Arm.
2. The Cocked Left Wrist
3. The Turned Left Hand.
4. The Across the Chest Left Arm

But, I know what you were asking...
"When does the clubface start closing and my arms cross-over?"
In TGM-land and MANZELLA MATRIX land, we call this the "Finish Swivel." This is as opposed to a "swivel" that would get the club to impact.
"So...Ok...It is called the "Finish Swivel." When should I do it? And, when and how much should the clubface close past impact?"
The clubface opens—relative to the plane—about 90° on an orthodox backswing. So, on the downswing, on the way to separtation, the clubface needs to close 90° for straightaway ball-flight.

Ideally, totally left alone to its on devices, the clubhead would close about 90° more past the ball by the time of the "Finish Swivel." This occurs approximately when the shaft reaches vertical for the first time after impact.
"What does, 'The shaft reaches vertical for the first time after impact,' mean?"

Here is an example:

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This position is illustrative for a couple of other reasons as well. It helps us ask—and answer—a couple of key questions.

1. Are you supposed to keep you left wrist flat, or arched like in this picture, all the way to the Finish Swivel?

You can. But you certainly don't have to. Or in some patterns—don't even want to.

If you are prone to slice. This position is your ticket out of hackerdom. Learn it and then you can relax it if you wish.

In a normal, orthodox TRUE SWING, the right wrist would straighten long before this point, and the left wrist would bend.

2. When does the clubface "turn over" past impact?
It never stops closing from the top. So, past impact, it keeps closing, until when the golfer is in the location of the swing that is represented in the photo.
3. Doesn't something different happen past the ball called "hinge action" before the swivel?
Like I say and illustrate in "Never Slice Again 2.0," the folks who think they can actually DO this—close the face from the top to a point, and then change that rotation form impact to floow-throug—or release point to follow-through—are pmost likely just thinking they can.

If that helps them, or anyone else, then I think they should do it.

"So, what are you exactly saying I should do, specifically?"
You should learn to "double-trap" the ball. Trap it ONE WAY by leaning the shaft forward at impact, and the SECOND WAY by continually CLOSING the face through impact.

This will probably have to be done on purpose, by "hand-manipulation," and then, eventually, just "naturally."

If you are having trouble closing it, make sure your LEFT ELBOW is rotating as well.

;)


 
thanks for the reply Brian! This is so different from what I was doing before. From the picture I noticed that the glove logo is facing the target. Is it a good goal to have the logo consistently face the target after impact?

I can't wait to practice this at the range tomorrow!
 
The Left Elbow...

Brian:

Thanks for the answer...very insightful! One question, does the position of the left elbow help/hinder the rotation. At address, my elbow (left arm) seems to be rotated under a bit with the point (bone) of the left elbow facing more towards my left hip vs at the target. With this position, would it help/hinder the rotation of the left arm??

Thanks,

Dobber
 

Leek

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Brian said
"So, what are you exactly saying I should do, specifically?"

You should learn to "double-trap" the ball. Trap it ONE WAY by leaning the shaft forward at impact, and the SECOND WAY by continually CLOSING the face through impact.

This will probably have to be done on purpose, by "hand-manipulation," and then, eventually, just "naturally."

If you are having trouble closing it, make sure your LEFT ELBOW is rotating as well. "


This may have become my favorite post of all time- for now....
 
Question, when trying to work on a finish swivel, I end up hitting low hooks all day. Is this typically due to not opening the face enough on the backswing, or closing too fast and early on the downswing? For all the instructors out there, what do you typically see?
 

Kevin Shields

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Question, when trying to work on a finish swivel, I end up hitting low hooks all day. Is this typically due to not opening the face enough on the backswing, or closing too fast and early on the downswing? For all the instructors out there, what do you typically see?

You're either 1) swiveling too early 2) not open enough at impact with body, or 3) lack axis tilt
 

tank

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Question, when trying to work on a finish swivel, I end up hitting low hooks all day. Is this typically due to not opening the face enough on the backswing, or closing too fast and early on the downswing? For all the instructors out there, what do you typically see?

More than likely swiveling too early. Because of preparing to swivel from the very start of the downswing, you turn the right hand over very early.
 
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Question, when trying to work on a finish swivel, I end up hitting low hooks all day. Is this typically due to not opening the face enough on the backswing, or closing too fast and early on the downswing? For all the instructors out there, what do you typically see?

Do you pull your short irons by any chance?....
 

pld

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could he have a bent plane line?

Originally Posted by Tball88 View Post
Question, when trying to work on a finish swivel, I end up hitting low hooks all day. Is this typically due to not opening the face enough on the backswing, or closing too fast and early on the downswing? For all the instructors out there, what do you typically see?





I am no AI but I am gonna take a shot at this because I do the same thing. My last lesson with BM he had me work on the Soft Draw pattern. I think I was bending the plane or I was swinging to far right(I am a lefty). He had me finish my swing with the butt of the club pointing to the left of the target. So it felt like an upright finish but it was just really on plane. So if you finish swivel and swing too far to the left(if your right handed) low pulls and hooks but if you get the butt of the club to point to the right of the target at finish with a finish swivel you get nice solid straight shots. Just trying to help...If anyone sees anything wrong with what I have stated please set me on the correct path.
 
typically, my misses are left. But my divots are relatively straight, so it appears to be a face issue for me. In order not to go left, I actually utilize an angled hinge. If I try to horizontal hinge or actively try to finish swivel for me, it's four left.
 
typically, my misses are left. But my divots are relatively straight, so it appears to be a face issue for me. In order not to go left, I actually utilize an angled hinge. If I try to horizontal hinge or actively try to finish swivel for me, it's four left.

Form Brian's post:
1. Are you supposed to keep you left wrist flat, or arched like in this picture, all the way to the Finish Swivel?

You can. But you certainly don't have to. Or in some patterns—don't even want to.

If you are prone to slice. This position is your ticket out of hackerdom. Learn it and then you can relax it if you wish.
 
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